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Future Shock! The Story of 2000AD - Wed 6th 11.25pm on Film4 
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I missed this documentary as I have no TV, and I have lost the sound on my computer through glitches beyond my comprehension.---so I can't hear what is said on the catchup version.

Bet it was good though.

I quite like the style of Paddy McGintys' Goat! The economy in use for the caricatured facial expressions ===both animal and soldier---was worth seeing , I thought. Nowt wrong with that!

DCT and IPC both done a very similar version of this idea I noticed recently.

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Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:13 pm
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What comic was Paddy McGinty's Goat actually in .i'd never heard of it until this doc :lol:


Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:44 pm
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Jet. If the film had solely focused on Paddy McGinty's Goat, people would know this kind of thing.

If I were to do a Kickstarter for a Paddy McGinty's Goat documentary film, how many of you would chip in?


Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:24 am
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I'd put Valiant's peak a little earlier. I think those mergers diluted it and it was on a downward trajectory in the seventies.


I don't think you can beat a line-up like Raven on the Wing, Janus Stark, The Swots and the Blots, Return of the Claw, Kelly's Eye, and The Ghostly Guardian, etc.


Great characters, and the Swots and Blots that Baxendale did are still funny to this day, but by the mid 1970s those adventure strips were looking a bit tired and outdated unfortunately. Their story structure was still very much in the style of the early 1960s. Anyway, the main point they were making about it in that documentary is that sales of IPC comics were heading into the toilet so a more contemporary approach was essential. I've just re-read Battle Picture Weekly No.1 and it's such a refreshing and harder take on the stories than comics such as Lion and Jet had been offering. I'm not even a fan of war comics but the raw energy of Battle made it so much fresher than other IPC adventure comics that had preceded it. Comics like Valiant, Lion, etc were brilliant in the 1960s but when sales declined to cancellation point in the seventies, and new comics like Jet and Thunder in that same mold also failed, then it was definitely time for a more modern outlook.

I wonder what would have happened if John Wagner and Pat Mills hadn't come along? With no Battle, Action, or 2000AD it'd be left to Tiger and Roy of the Rovers to keep the adventure dept afloat. I guess we may have seen even more weaker comics like Speed, and the new Eagle would probably have still happened, but what a sad state of affairs British comics would have been without Wagner and Mills.

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Anyway, the main point they were making about it in that documentary is that sales of IPC comics were heading into the toilet ...


Valiant was selling nearly 200,000 copies.


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Anyway, the main point they were making about it in that documentary is that sales of IPC comics were heading into the toilet ...


Valiant was selling nearly 200,000 copies.


If that was the case it still wasn't enough to save it from cancellation.

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I hope WARLORD at least got a mention in the documentary for changing the style and influencing changes of direction in the 70s' 'boys' comics'"


===no Warlord---no BATTLE and thus

no 2000 AD

At least in my humble view.

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If that was the case it still wasn't enough to save it from cancellation.


Nonetheless, it does seem to slightly belie the narrative that supposed "traditional" comics had been completely ditched by ver kids, when, in a crowded UK comic marketplace, with added new competition from the recently launched and successful Marvel UK line, it was still selling around a fifth of a million copies each week.

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I hope WARLORD at least got a mention in the documentary for changing the style and influencing changes of direction in the 70s' 'boys' comics'"


As Lew suggested a few posts ago, there was no mention (none that I recall).


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Jet. If the film had solely focused on Paddy McGinty's Goat, people would know this kind of thing.

If I were to do a Kickstarter for a Paddy McGinty's Goat documentary film, how many of you would chip in?

thanks raven i have a few jets but never even looked through them :lol:


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thanks raven i have a few jets but never even looked through them :lol:


Von Hoffman's Invasion is worth a look. And the comic introduces Faceache.


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Raven wrote:
Lew Stringer wrote:
If that was the case it still wasn't enough to save it from cancellation.


Nonetheless, it does seem to slightly belie the narrative that supposed "traditional" comics had been completely ditched by ver kids, when, in a crowded UK comic marketplace, with added new competition from the recently launched and successful Marvel UK line, it was still selling around a fifth of a million copies each week.

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I hope WARLORD at least got a mention in the documentary for changing the style and influencing changes of direction in the 70s' 'boys' comics'"


As Lew suggested a few posts ago, there was no mention (none that I recall).


There was no mention of Warlord, which is why I said it.

No one said comics had been completely abandoned by readers, just that there weren't enough of them to sustain those old comics. The cancellation point was a lot higher 40 years ago than it is today.

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I never cared much for Janus Stark or The Ghostly Guardian. Kelly's Eye was my favourite strip but I think it was running out of steam after the Romans story. They should have ditched the time clock and done something different.


I have to agree that the time clock was when I lost interest in Kelly and his necklace too


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There you go. I loved the time-clock. Still do.

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In view of my age; born in 1967, my love affair with comics burgeoned when they were beginning to wilt - circa 1975. For around six years thereafter, I was completely hooked with all things comics while little realizing that the game was up by this time. Then sadly, I eschewed the few British titles I was collecting in 1981 for US Marvel monthlies. I kind of feel ashamed in contributing to hammering in those last nails of an undeserved coffin. :cry:


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There you go. I loved the time-clock. Still do.


Yes, you're missing out on lots of wonderfully nutty, beautifully illustrated, high-octane adventures if you quit before the time clock.


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