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Something faster than the speed of light discovered

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Scientists at CERN (on the Franco-Swiss border) have discovered tiny particles that can travel just faster than the speed of light, which undermines everything that Albert Einstein said in his theory of special relativity.

For info see this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... QandA.html
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It's not certain and doesn't undermine anything. Just changes it slightly. Einstein had never even heard of neutrinos when he devised his theory. Plus, it's already been altered by quantum mechanics (something else he didn't know of when he first published and remained doubtful ever after once it had come into theory). And physicists already suspect faster-than-light communication in electrons.

That's the beauty of science and what religious types will never quite. Science will change with evidence. It's not faith that theories are forever. Quite the opposite.
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Potentially revolutionary experimental results which promise to rewrite almost everything we know about science come along every couple of years, and only once in a generation do they actually turn out to be true. Cold fusion, anyone?

Not yet a year ago, a couple of scientists working for NASA produced a paper claiming to prove the existence of arsenic-based life. This has been widely debunked, with far more obvious explanations put forward, such as the fact that the sample wasn't purified properly before testing and that bacteria are known to survive on the minute quantities of phosphorous the researchers had ruled out as being inadequate explanation, and the theory itself picked to bits, including the inconvenient fact that arsenate is extremely unstable and therefore could not perform the tricks attributed to it. I strongly suspect this new paper is heading exactly the same way.
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Time will tell, but if indeed E doesn't equal MC squared, then time travel may actually be possible.

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Theory is only a workable hypothesis until dis-proven by either a better theory or the facts proving it wrong. While E=MC squared has a beautiful symmetry to it, it works until someone smarter than I comes up with a better theory.
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Digifiend wrote:Time will tell, but if indeed E doesn't equal MC squared, then time travel may actually be possible.
What do you mean possible,
Where have you been Dr Who can do it already, as Swirly says it's a serious programme.

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So can Fred from Fred's Bed. And Tim Traveller. And Jimmy and his Magic Patch. And Auntie Clockwise... :)
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Progress has all but ceased due to the fact that accountants are controlling the purse-strings of research: around 1900, the automobile, film camera-projector, and aeroplane came into being.

In the case of the Wright Brothers, who achieved the first workable powered flight in 1903 at Kitty Hawk, they were two bicycle-makers who were shunned by the scientific community of the day, and experimented on their own without external funding, building their own wind-tunnel, etc.

Others refined their ideas later, but without their discoveries, the aeroplane would never likely have been invented by the 'official' scientific community.


A hundred years later, there are no radical new inventions like a hovercar, working [practical] jetpack, let alone walking androids or a time-machine. All we get are things like hi-def TV, hand-held devices etc, which are merely extensions of existing technology, rather than brand-new inventions, like the aeroplane, automobile, and cinematic film were a century ago.


Today, probably billions are spent on scientific research , certainly far more in real terms than was funded in 1900, but no radical new ideas are forthcoming, probably because new fronteirs of ideas are blocked by sterile-minded accountants.

Yes we have the internet, but it's the only real radical change in the world in the past 20 years [sat-nav is just an extension of tracking technology and spy-in-the -sky technology, which has existed for decades].


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The fastest human on earth is the Scotsman who dropped a pound coin and it hit him on the back of the head as he bent to pick it up. (Can we still do mean Scotsman jokes?)

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Time travel has already been observed in electrons (as has faster than light communication). E=mc2 for particles with mass. E=(where's the lambda symbol)c2 for massless. Neutrinos are virtually (but not quite) massless. It can therefore open up a whole new realm of physics but doesn't negate results from everything heavier than an electron (i.e. virtually everything).
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stevezodiac wrote:The fastest human on earth is the Scotsman who dropped a pound coin and it hit him on the back of the head as he bent to pick it up. (Can we still do mean Scotsman jokes?)
No you can't and you're charged 10/- for each time you make them! :lol:
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When time travel has been referred to as 'being possible' in earlier posts on this thread, I assume this is actually a reference to the time dilation effect (time travels slower for objects moving at near-light velocities than, for example, us folk here on Earth). I've never considered that to be true time travel, as it won't allow one to travel into the past, or skip years ahead without passing through the intervening period. It only slows the rate at which one travels into the future, relative to those cruising along at a lower velocity (as I understand it, anyway).

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There seem to be too many paradoxes within the concept of Time-Travel: traveling into the past especially means everything in the present time could be mucked up easily: for example wiping out the Nazi leadership before WW2 would have saved millions of lives, but how many babies were born as a direct result of couples meeting through the events of WW2 or afterwards?

Even preventing WW2 from ever happening would result in millions of people today not existing in today's 'reality'.

This would cause radical change regarding the people who exist today........traveling to the future seems more likely, but there are too many paradoxes regarding traveling to the past.

Also, if time-traveling does become a reality in the far future, why haven't the Holocaust, Twin Towers Disasters, JFK's assasination etc been averted?: these could have been avoided just with someone with our knowledge of events being able to change the past so these dark events never occurred.

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Because the current theory of time travel says there has to be a gateway at the point to time-travel to. So, if we invented one today, people could travel here but not into the past.

There's also the idea about travelling back to quantum universes (read about the two-slot experiment if you think that's far flung), rather than an existing one.

Electrons can already time-travel and they do affect the quantum soup when they do it. It's all very weird but very interesting.
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starscape wrote:Electrons can already time-travel.
This raises the intriguing possibility of sending messages back in time, as explored in Gregory Benford's 1980 SF novel, Timescape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timescape

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