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Muffy wrote:Thanks David. My younger brother had every single issue of IPC's Jackpot 1979-82– which I loved at the time.
However after issue 100, too many reprints popped up including the 'Invisible Monster' from Monster Fun and many others. I loved the Invisible Monster when I first read some back issues from the Battle comic loving older brother's collection (I read it around '79), but is was too much 'Dejá vu' for a child.

To be honest i never knew invisible monster was in monster fun when i read the entire jackpot run about 5 years ago never mind knowing as a child that it would have been a reprint when i bought the odd Jackpot as a kid,granted there are a few stories i could tell were reprints in the later years of whizzer & chips & Buster etc but i think there is an element of there was only ever like 12 episodes of Bagpuss,mr benn only a few eps etc but because it was on every week for years we actually thought there was more more than the actual number produced.

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big bad bri wrote:think there is an element of there was only ever like 12 episodes of Bagpuss,mr benn only a few eps etc but because it was on every week for years we actually thought there was more more than the actual number produced.
It reminds me of an episode of Angry Beavers that was in production where the titular characters realised that their show was about to get cancelled, and desperately try to save it only for them to die and go to cartoon heaven. Apparently Nickelodeon scrapped the episode because they wanted kids to continue watching the repeats in the hope that new episodes would follow!

Like Dishes, my main beef with reprints is when the stories are clumsily modernised. The hiccup/hiccough thing would have worked better had the text been rewritten entirely. There's also the Les Pretend "Redskins" incident and Roger's "Retro Beano collection" that I'm sure some people on this forum will remember! But aside from modernisation, another beef I have with the reprints is that they sometimes make a comic seem dated. As opposed to looking towards the future, reprints often make the comic seem stuck in the past. There's also the fact that it means less work for artists.

I remember back in early/mid 2007, being shocked at the amount of reprint The Beano and The Dandy had at the time (I'd not known either comic to have reprints before, though I later found out that reprints in The Dandy had been fairly commonplace until the 80's.) and felt that it was pointless because Classics from the Comics was reprinting old material as well. (It wasn't until later when I found out that reprints are largely a budgetary decision and that most if not all editors would want their comics to be all-new if they had the choice)

Another pet hate is when people refer to annuals as if they were published in the year of their cover date. This misconception was particularly rife in the Golden Years book "Fifty Years of Annuals", saying things like "In 1958, not only did Dennis appear in the pages of The Beano annual, but had his own annual to himself!". Dennis annuals were published in odd-numbered years at the time, so not only were they supposed to be referring to the annual published in 1957 (if it came out in 1958, it would be the 1959 annual!) but there was no Dennis annual released in 1958. Since the book was made by DC Thomson themselves, you'd expect them to know when the books were published! It's trivial but it does get a bit annoying.

Another example is the Word Distributors' Jackpot annuals. They had copyright dates but no cover dates. Hence, you often see people refer to the "Jackpot Annual 1965" even though the first one was the 1966 edition.

(incidentally, I seem to remember some of the mid-90's Dandy annuals having a copyright date reflecting their cover date, despite being released the year before)
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To be continued, these words at the end of a comicbook I find very frustrating, there either employed to sell comics by building up a fan base or the story to be told is longer than the conventional comic size.To me it's like buying a chapter of a book and knowing you are not going to get the rest of the book.If people have no problem with this I may start tearing up some novels I have and selling each chapter on Ebay.Yesterday at the carboot I saw a Wonder Woman comic great cover but turning to the back and the reason I didn't buy it, you've guessed it , to be continued.

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I remember reading a very intruiging SUPERMAN story from 1970, where a gang of hoods capture him, strip him of his costume, and auction off his boots, cape etc seperately to the highest bidder in the Underworld-----the last scene was very affecting:


the hoods blast Superman off into space in a custom-built mini-rocket, there is a tear in his eye as the villians jeer at him as he heads towards the 'DEATH PLANET'.

I never ever forgot this extremely memorable tale---and you've guessed it [again]--it was a 'continued next issue' job, and being an old comic I discovered in a pile at school, it was over 40 years before I found this issue and the next development of the story.

It was a bit of a let-down: Superman lands on a planet that is based on Roman Gladiators, and the villians of the previous issue are conveniently forgotten about.

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abacus wrote:To be continued, these words at the end of a comicbook I find very frustrating, there either employed to sell comics by building up a fan base or the story to be told is longer than the conventional comic size.To me it's like buying a chapter of a book and knowing you are not going to get the rest of the book.If people have no problem with this I may start tearing up some novels I have and selling each chapter on Ebay.Yesterday at the carboot I saw a Wonder Woman comic great cover but turning to the back and the reason I didn't buy it, you've guessed it , to be continued.

I remember back in my schooldays some kids didn't like continued stories. It never bothered me, even when collecting Marvel comics was like a jigsaw puzzle because issues were imported in random order.

By the way, regarding your mention of books, you probably know that some of the classics such as those by Charles Dickens were originally issued in chapters? Also, the Sherlock Holmes stories originated as serials in The Strand magazine. Clearly the public used to have a thirst for continued stories, just as they have for today's TV soaps.

The only "pet hate" of mine that springs to mind was when TV21 thought it'd turn around declining sales in they put football articles in it (1969), even on the cover! If ever a comic wasn't suited to football features it was TV21. The beginning of the end for a once great and unique comic.
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An easy reply would be that comic sales diminished beyond despair to the point where only The Beano and 2000 ad survive from the seventies of the last century. The great-grandfather "Dandy" passed away over 2 years ago. The pet hate is this: digitalized comics will reign supreme... eventually. Why? Simple... because it will be no longer financially viable to produce a physical comic. My bets are on 2000 ad as the last one on a commercial basis.

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That's a very bleak scenario you paint, Geoff, but sadly not without truth.

Fantasy imagery in 'stills' form will always find an outlet of some sort, but paper comics are rapidly marginalizing into the 'specialist' [ie: non-meanstream, non-mass market] bracket, I'm afraid.

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Somebody I know got a neg on ebay for selling a comic that wasn't a complete story. It should have been mentioned apparently.

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japandroid wrote:Somebody I know got a neg on ebay for selling a comic that wasn't a complete story. It should have been mentioned apparently.
How odd. American comics are now almost universally "written for the trade" with each issue barely reading as a chapter of a five or six part story. They've been like that for a while now, and multi-issue stories have been around ever since comics reduced their page count in the fifties. It's true that two-issue stories were rare in the 1960s, but Marvel did a few crossovers where you had to read two entirely different titles to get the complete story even then, and I recall a '60s Superman story that ran to three entire issues, involving Superman dying of kryptonite poisoning, which, unsurprisingly, he recovered from by the end of the story. So the idea of someone giving a negative feedback because they'd bought a comic that contained a continued story suggests a wealth of ignorance going on there.
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japandroid wrote:Somebody I know got a neg on ebay for selling a comic that wasn't a complete story. It should have been mentioned apparently.
I don't think buyers should give negative feedback until all other avenues have been explored with the seller, which must include an offer to reimburse the buyer. The existence of the possibility of a negative should lead, however, to the seller describing his items carefully and thoroughly, and throwing his rubbish away rather than offering it for sale on eBay.

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Looked in vain in WHSmith for comics not containing super heroes
the market seems to be flooded with them.Hoping eventually people will tire of these and there will be a shift to other genres of comics like detective, suspense and western etc.

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abacus wrote:Looked in vain in WHSmith for comics not containing super heroes
the market seems to be flooded with them.Hoping eventually people will tire of these and there will be a shift to other genres of comics like detective, suspense and western etc.
Only if that's the way other media goes. Superhero movies are huge at the moment so superhero comics are what kids like.

You could always see if Waterstones have any detective graphic novels in. The ones by by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips are pretty good.

Also, Cinebooks publish a range of themes. WH Smith or Waterstones could order those in for you if they're not in stock:
http://www.cinebook.co.uk/

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Thanks,that site looks interesting will check it out.

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abacus wrote:Looked in vain in WHSmith for comics not containing super heroes
the market seems to be flooded with them.Hoping eventually people will tire of these and there will be a shift to other genres of comics like detective, suspense and western etc.
Well, there's Commando and 2000AD/Megazine (ignoring the more junior end), although not all WH Smith seems to stock them. When WH Smith comic readers tire of super-heroes, there'll be nothing to replace them. I think it's a case of count your blessings there are comics at all.
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starscape wrote:  When WH Smith comic readers tire of super-heroes, there'll be nothing to replace them. I think it's a case of count your blessings there are comics at all.
When people start reading books they gradually become selective in the books they read, similarly I don't think that in that long distant future today's comic readers will stop reading comics because there are fewer super-heroes about but that they will look for other comics that interest them.Will there be other comics?I don't see why not , there are dozen's of novels produced each week sitting on book shelves.l take the optimistic view once a comic reader always a comic reader, I'm sure there will always be a demand.

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