45 years since the the first appearance of Frankie Stein!

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I wrote:Could it be that he intended to offer the character to Thomson's up until that point...? )
Apparently not. I've just reread Ken's own account of the strip's creation and it seems that the name was suggested to him by Alf Wallace (Managing Editor of the Odhams Group) upon being told of his liking for comic horror.

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Which means he would've worked for Odhams from then on anyway, even before Frankie Stein was concieved. Did it also say why he left Thomsons? Unsurprisingly The History of the Beano only says (erroneously) that "Leo Baxendale had left in 1962 and Ken Reid's work for The Beano would stop within the year" (two years actually).
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It was purely down to money. In 1964 he was getting £18 page when Odhams rang him up out of the blue and offered him £30. He explained the situation to DC Thomson saying that he didn't really want to leave and would turn down the offer if they could just increase his rate by half that amount. Unfortunately R D Lowe replied that the suggestion was completely unrealistic and they weren't prepared to increase his page rate by any amount...!

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What's so unreasonable about £24 a page? Don't know what that would be worth now mind, considering inflation and decimalisation. Anyway, Thomson's loss was Odhams gain.
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philcom55 wrote:
I wrote:I've just reread Ken's own account of the strip's creation...
Purely out of interest - which Ken's own account are you referring to? Is it the interview in Golden Fun fanzine or some other source? Ken Reid wasn't interviewed very often in his day (probably same as all the other British artists). I am aware of two interviews - one printed in Savoy book of Fudge, and the other one in Golden Fun. Are there any others?
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It's from the Golden Fun one. The sad thing is that in 1984 it seemed there would be plenty of time for many more interviews in the years to come... :(

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Digifiend wrote:What's so unreasonable about £24 a page? Don't know what that would be worth now mind, considering inflation and decimalisation. Anyway, Thomson's loss was Odhams gain.
£24 is still £24 even after decimalization. However £30 (the amount Ken was offered) was an impressive amount for 1964, when an average weekly wage would be about £12 or so. For Thomsons to raise his rate from £18 to £24 would have been a hell of a jump. It seems nothing now, but back then it was huge, believe me.

I doubt that Ken would have been allowed to let himself loose at Thomsons in the Sixties as much as he did at Odhams. That Wham/Smash/Pow work was incredible.

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philcom55 wrote:It's from the Golden Fun one. The sad thing is that in 1984 it seemed there would be plenty of time for many more interviews in the years to come... :(

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There was a time, around then, when Kev O'Neill and myself had briefly discussed going up to Manchester to interview Ken for a fanzine I was publishing at the time. We never did contact him unfortunately. My fault for not following up on Kev's suggestion. I suppose I assumed Ken would be around for much longer.

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Ken spent the riches amassed from his Odhams work (and a long-running series of competitions he drew for Irish editions of the Sunday Express) on his very own canal boat, intending to lead a life of leisure on board. Unfortunately this sank abruptly at its mooring one evening and his first thought was "A-A-GHH! IT'S 'IM!" - so I guess you could say Thomson's got the last laugh after all...! :roll:

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I would be curious to see an example or two of the competitions Ken Reid drew for Sunday Express. Anyone, please :?:
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A page of original Frankie Stein by Reid is now advertised by an ebay dealer at a Buy-it-Now price of £695, of Best Offer. If I am not mistaken, the original owner sold it on ebay for under £200 just a couple of weeks ago... :D
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regarding the value of money in the 1960s: I recently looked through some newspaper archives from 1969, and the average UK wage was 22 quid a week!----and no paid holidays until you worked a full year! Even in the early 70s, I remember someone from school 'blowing' 2 quid on a night out on the town with a girl, and this was a small fortune then........the value of money has been completely warped since decimilization and inflation [there used to be twelve pennies in a shilling ---the old equivalent of todays' 'five pee' in the 60s, and you could buy two decent comics for this amount].

KEN'S wages were actually pretty good for the time-period.
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ISPYSHHHGUY wrote:[... you could buy two decent comics for this amount].
How much were a couple of INdecent comics though?
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Ken's work is so excellent and full of detail that I'm curious as to how many hours it took him to fully prepare one page (ditto Baxendale's later and much faster Swots and Blots pages where he pretended one of the kids had drawn it). For 6 brief weeks Ken would have received £90 per issue when the brief 2 page Jasper the Grasper also appeared (which saw Wham through the triple Whammy of price increase, pagination decrease and reduction of colour pages) - but surely those 3 pages must have come to more than a week's work?
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ISPYSHHHGUY wrote:regarding the value of money in the 1960s: I recently looked through some newspaper archives from 1969, and the average UK wage was 22 quid a week!----and no paid holidays until you worked a full year! Even in the early 70s, I remember someone from school 'blowing' 2 quid on a night out on the town with a girl, and this was a small fortune then........the value of money has been completely warped since decimilization and inflation [there used to be twelve pennies in a shilling ---the old equivalent of todays' 'five pee' in the 60s, and you could buy two decent comics for this amount].

KEN'S wages were actually pretty good for the time-period.
That average wage means £24 would have been more than a week's wages just for one strip - and Ken drew Roger and Jinx for Beano, plus whatever he was doing for the other comics at the time. So I see now that even at £18 per strip, he was already on a good deal. Odhams must've been desperate to capture him to offer what must be the equivalent of about £300 now! :shock: Basically, it's a x10 modifier for inflation, as a weekly wage full time would now be nearly £200. Before tax admittedly, so don't complain at me if your take home pay is less than that! :lol: Comic prices have increased disproportionately though, as Beano and Dandy were 3d at the time - just over 1p (1p = 2 1/2p, so the x10 modifier I used should only make it about 12p, so the Beano's price has gone up x100, and Dandy x200 (based on current prices of £1.25 and £2.50).
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