DOCTOR WHO MAGAZINE - Complete Online pdf files

[JT Mirana]

I say complete, but I mean shedloads because I haven't had time to check them all. Courtesy of a Russian website.

Link Removed by Al - Blatant piracy will not be tolerated on these forums.

Enjoy, fellow Whovians!

[Lew Stringer]

Oh come on JT! Comics and magazines are struggling enough without this blatant promotion of piracy. That's not even just back issues. It goes right up to date. As a freelancer yourself you should know better.

I was tempted to report this to admin but I thought, no, I'm not going behind your back, I'm going to say what I think here in public. If it makes me enemies by people who are too tight to support comics and mags, tough.

[-MikeD-]

I think we need a forum policy on blatant piracy/theft....we're on the side of the creators, right?

[Phoenix]

DOCTOR WHO MAGAZINE - Complete Online pdf files
I say complete, but I mean shedloads because I haven't had time to check them all. Courtesy of a Russian website.

There are also shedloads of actual issues at very reasonable prices currently for sale on eBay. Courtesy of lots of sellers wishing to move them on. You could try putting your hand in your pocket, JT, or is that an alien concept that clashes with your normal modus operandi?

[Lew Stringer]

Thanks for deleting the link, Al.

JT, I'm sorry if I came across too strong but, well, I feel very strongly against piracy. Especially in this instance where the work being pirated was that of friends of mine and, even my own stuff in a couple of recent issues.

If anyone wants to read those Doctor Who strips, Panini have several softback books available collecting the work of Dave Gibbons, Mike Collins, and all. Support one of the UK companies still producing comics and buy those, rather than accepting illegal downloads. Here's a link to Amazon, where you can obtain them legit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Chil ... ke+Collins

[colcool007]

Thanks, Lew, for the links.

[ISPYSHHHGUY]

Many site members will be happy to see that e-bay have somewhat cleaned up their 'dodgy dvd comics' listings, which are not as broad as they used to be.

[JT Mirana]

Thanks for deleting the link, Al.

JT, I'm sorry if I came across too strong but, well, I feel very strongly against piracy. Especially in this instance where the work being pirated was that of friends of mine and, even my own stuff in a couple of recent issues.

If anyone wants to read those Doctor Who strips, Panini have several softback books available collecting the work of Dave Gibbons, Mike Collins, and all. Support one of the UK companies still producing comics and buy those, rather than accepting illegal downloads. Here's a link to Amazon, where you can obtain them legit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Chil ... ke+Collins

No problem, Lew.

Apologies to all. On reflection, you're quite right.

As for putting my hand in my pocket, Phoenix. I have no objection. But there's seldom anything in there which is why I leapt on a freebie without thinking.

Apologies.

[paw broon]

I am slightly worried about the conflation of supporting comics and mags, and buying them second hand from ebay. The publishing industry and the creators gain nothing from re-selling. In fact, as much of the work for comics publishers in the U.K. is done as work for hire, the only monetary gain for artists and writers is the page rate agreed. Unless, that is, the creator has managed to strike a deal for royalties or to retain control of the work. If my information is out of date, I am certain someone will quickly put me right.
However, none of the above in any way is intended to condone blatant piracy. I would strongly recommend any members to avoid Russian websites offering gifts. All sorts of nasty security problems can sometimes turn up with the files. Then not only can you not read the files, you also find your computer is knackered. Worse, a pc can be replaced but can your personal and bank info. be so easily replaced? If anyone has been daft enough to download these files or similar, and wants to keep them, please scan them with at least 2 malware scanners before attempting to open them. Even then, I would think twice about taking the risk.
Just my tuppence worth.

[ISPYSHHHGUY]

I agree with Paw that spending a few pounds on a vintage comic is not really helping the comics industry: it's really just a specialist appreciation for the buyer that makes some money for the seller [nothing wrong with that, but some issues change hands for hundreds of pounds, which to me is just a seperate 'evil' [petty evil, not Nazi evil, there's a massive difference!]---it's shameless profiteering,---that is not benefitting the comics industry, or the original contributers------- just as surely as selling pirated copies of comics is.


I'm not rich enough to spend hundreds on a single comic, and even if I was, I would refuse to encourage these Thatcherite-like capitalists.


If all these folks who spend hundreds per comic all pooled this cash into encouraging new comics talent, we may have a thriving comics industry instead of the 'slow death-rattle' it is reduced to these days.


Lew is right about current or very recent contributers losing out to the pirates though-----this is far worse in my view.


I look through obscure comics from the 30s on disc, stuff I have never seen before other than a few select covers, and I doubt if I would 'blind buy' these items in paper form, on account I knew nothing about them: however I do know a bit about these comics now, now I have seen a few examples. [the comics are actually not bad, well worth a look]


If I discovered comics I really liked through this method, I'd more than likely seek out the originals: something I would never have considered if not for these discs.

I'm not advising anyone else to do this, but my own comics horizons have personally widened through this method.

Steer clear of pdf sites though readers---very dodgy territory indeed.

[Phoenix]

I agree with Paw that spending a few pounds on a vintage comic is not really helping the comics industry: it's really just a specialist appreciation for the buyer that makes some money for the seller [nothing wrong with that, but some issues change hands for hundreds of pounds, which to me is just a seperate 'evil',...../..... it's shameless profiteering that is not benefitting the comics industry, or the original contributers

I don't really follow your line of reasoning here, Rab. You seem to be saying that if an enthusiast spends a few pounds on a vintage comic he/she is not having much of an effect on the comics industry, and if an enthusiast spends hundreds of pounds on the said comic, that doesn't have much of an effect on the comics industry. You then berate the seller, and by implication the buyer, for coming together and indulging in what you call shameless profiteering, which apparently doesn't benefit either the industry or the various contributors to that vintage comic. I have to admit that I can't see what sales of vintage comics at whatever cost have to do with the current comics industry or the contributors to that industry. What I see, and it is all that I see, is a seller offering a vintage comic for sale, and either managing to sell it or not, his/her success or failure determined by finding or not finding a buyer who accepts his/her valuation, and so either buys the comic or doesn't. It's just commerce, nothing more.

[ISPYSHHHGUY]

yes it's commerce, Phoenix, but commerce has nothing to do with creativity, without which comics would never have existed in the first place.


People who make excessive profits out of selling old comics are not involved in an act of creation, other than lining their own pockets.


The people who made the comics just recieved a modest payment for their troubles,, [in most cases].





Selling and buying old comics is only really affecting the parties concerned.....there is no real effect on the comics industry as it stands today, which we both seem to agree upon.


Piracy is much more damaging to contributers today who depend on payment for their livlihood, that's all I'm really saying.

[Phoenix]

commerce has nothing to do with creativity, without which comics would never have existed in the first place.

Of course it does. It's all about commerce. The people whose job it is to contribute to the making of shirts, shoes, newspapers, comics, furniture, cars, Virgin Pendolino trains etcetera are entitled to be paid for their various contributions, and the world being as it is, some get paid more than others. Perhaps that isn't fair but the items get made just the same, and the people that own the companies make the profits, and the less they pay their workers, the more profit they get. But when cartoonists sweat blood to get their created contributions in before their deadlines, when Ford workers or B&Q assistants complete their allocated hours for the week, at least they all know they will get paid a previously-agreed amount. How they or their families use that amount or where they save it, is up to them but they are almost certainly bound to spend a fair bit of it. On top of their normal outlay the B&Q assistants might buy a couple of new comics a week for the children from W H Smiths, whereas Richard Branson might just spend the £800 he has left after buying the Ferrari I was lusting after in a showroom in Southfields last Sunday night on a near-mint Magic-Beano annual. It's all about commerce, Rab, and one's ability and/or willingness to pay the amount asked.

People who make excessive profits out of selling old comics are not involved in an act of creation,

No, of course they aren't, but they will be getting the money they choose to spend either on a new car, or a couple of vintage comics, or ice creams for the kids, from an employer or a pension. But whatever they decide to spend their money on, their choice will have a minimal effect at best, and almost certainly none at all, on those artists and cartoonists whose weekly wage is earned by creating strips for publication at some point in 2000 AD or The Beano. And be clear on one thing, the sale of a vintage comic or annual, whether for £1 or £2000, cannot possibly affect the livelihood of a cartoonist creating new strips now, because new comics and vintage comics are two completely different animals, and people's reasons for buying the one or the other are also completely different.

[abacus]

Selling of old comics on Ebay has nothing to do with the fewer number of original comics created today.There are many factors involved like children given computers as soon as they can talk.If there were no comics sold on ebay that would be even less publicity for the comic industry.

[Marionette]

Selling of old comics on Ebay has nothing to do with the fewer number of original comics created today.There are many factors involved like children given computers as soon as they can talk.If there were no comics sold on ebay that would be even less publicity for the comic industry.

I somehow doubt that handing a child an iMac at the age of five is going to affect their choice of reading matter a great deal. The single most important factor for why kids don't read comics so much now is the cost. Comics are now expensive (in a ratio of cost to time entertained) compared to just about any other form of entertainment, and there are a lot more things competing for those kids' money.