Rebellion acquire Egmont's archive of strips and characters

[koollectablz]

I quoted directly from the government website.

It has never been illegal to sell at a car boot sale.

It has never been illegal to buy at a car boot sale.

As with most things in life, the devil lies within the detail. If you feel you can't buy at a car boot sale because you may be in some way helping a seller evade tax, then that's your choice.

Simple as that.

Other people's mileage may vary.

[Shiner]

To clarify, proceeds from trading is subject to income tax whereas selling chattels such as unwanted comics from your collection is subject to capital gains tax for which none is payable up to a certain limit per year. A limit that most of us would never muster from the odd car boot sale or two, hence the apparent relaxed approach taken by HMRC. Your typical car boot seller or casual eBay seller is not evading tax.

[Adam Eterno]

To clarify, proceeds from trading is subject to income tax whereas selling chattels such as unwanted comics from your collection is subject to capital gains tax for which none is payable up to a certain limit per year. A limit that most of us would never muster from the odd car boot sale or two, hence the apparent relaxed approach taken by HMRC. Your typical car boot seller or casual eBay seller is not evading tax.

Correct. This year's allowance is £11,100. That's capital gain, not value sold. Sadly I won't be anywhere near that!

[big bad bri]

can we get back to the best news of 2016 now rebellions archive purchase

[abacus]

Wow! This thread is going all over the place and that's what we love to see here on Comics UK.

And then we have fatcat comic sellers, there is a simple solution in one word BUDGET. If you can't afford the comic, then don't buy it. If you think it is too high a price for your tastes, then don't buy it. If you don't have the money to afford it, it means don't buy it. There are so many comics and books out there that I want but if they are outside my price radar then I just don't buy them and wait until they get inside my affordability.

I agree , collecting comics is a personal thing and each budgets accordingly to his or her own prefered requirements.
The highest I have paid for a second hand collectable is £10 for a 1946 RADIO FUN ANNUAL and only because it was something I really wanted.Collecting is just a fun sideline for me and if I consider an item too expensive I am not disappointed in not buying that item because I would be fairly certain a cheaper version will appear in the future.
In a world that consists of atoms we are told vibrating at different frequencies and Einstein's pondering on the theory of relativity my missing out on a few comics seems of little importance.

[philcom55]

Some collectors certainly seem to have an awful lot of money to throw around. It amazes me when people on American sites mention some mid-range, slabbed Marvel comic they've just bought and boast that it was an absolute bargain for just $500! (Sorry Bri! )

[Phoenix]

Einstein's pondering on the theory of relativity

Albert hasn't been doing any pondering for about sixty years.

[abacus]

Einstein's pondering on the theory of relativity

Albert hasn't been doing any pondering for about sixty years.

Yes I know he his dead my critical friend but I couldn't think of another way of phrasing it, I just hoped it would be accepted as a past tense in the context of the sentence,I unlike you am not a writer of books

[big bad bri]

Some collectors certainly seem to have an awful lot of money to throw around. It amazes me when people on American sites mention some mid-range, slabbed Marvel comic they've just bought and boast that it was an absolute bargain for just $500! (Sorry Bri! )

dont apologise yours is on topic ie comics not all these customs and car boot crap which should be a seperate thread

[paw broon]

Please bear in mind that I wasn't the first to mention illegality in this thread, I merely responded
Perhaps it should be moved elsewhere, but as the scans of Misty, for instance are freely available on a number of sites, it is relevant to the topic as one of our members mentioned early on in the thread.

[Phoenix]

Yes I know he is dead my critical friend but I couldn't think of another way of phrasing it

I'm assuming that you simply didn't see the smilie.

[paw broon]

Well, that was interesting, as some of us explain why some things aren't illegal or why , if they were illegal, it would be o.k.. But, and it's a big but, I wrote my initial post on Rebellion and its titles and the illegality of scans of the material being aware that some responses would go for the jugular on the least important subject in there - car boot sales - while completely ignoring what goes on at marts, some cons, physical markets such as The Barras and digital ones such as ebay. I know and have to assume that many of you are quite well aware that certain dealers at the places mentioned do not register sales, do not declare income and sell comics at other than the cover price. But these same dealers pay no or very little tax on that part of their income, are of no use to the companies, Rebellion included, who published the comics, and creators gain sfa from the profits made on their work. Now I'm as guilty as the next man in buying physical comics from some dealers knowing they will not declare sales, income or profit to the authorities and as such I am complicit in an illegal transaction.
And I start to wonder, what the sales of all those 2000 AD back issues and other Rebellion titles will do to the sales of any future collections of strips contained in the comics. If you have a run of a title will you invest in an expensive volume or volumes just to have a nice spine showing on your shelves. I sometimes do, in the case of the Dan Dare h/b's and the h/b reprints of El CapitanTrueno; Rocketeer and a few others. But I prefer the original appearances in the comics themselves.
One of the big cons in Scotland has had tables full of copy dvd's of tv shows, movies, while other dealers sell dvd's of digital scans of Eagle 2000AD etc, and still other dealers have non certificated dvds on sale. All this with the knowledge of the organisers, security teams and local police. The Barras are raided regularly by police and HMRC and the place is known a s a thriving centre of the black economy. Yet thousands of folk go every weekend. And some of them buy Rebellion titles and other comics from certain dealers.
So let's hammer the illegal bits we fancy having a go at and avoid thinking about the other illegalities in the sale of comics.
By the way, there are a number of examples of HMRC threatening legal action against folk who were 1 penny out in their tax calculations. And just to be clear, if you are over your tax free allowance, you must declare it.

[Lew Stringer]

Well, that was interesting, as some of us explain why some things aren't illegal or why , if they were illegal, it would be o.k.. But, and it's a big but, I wrote my initial post on Rebellion and its titles and the illegality of scans of the material being aware that some responses would go for the jugular on the least important subject in there - car boot sales - while completely ignoring what goes on at marts, some cons, physical markets such as The Barras and digital ones such as ebay. I know and have to assume that many of you are quite well aware that certain dealers at the places mentioned do not register sales, do not declare income and sell comics at other than the cover price. But these same dealers pay no or very little tax on that part of their income, are of no use to the companies, Rebellion included, who published the comics, and creators gain sfa from the profits made on their work. Now I'm as guilty as the next man in buying physical comics from some dealers knowing they will not declare sales, income or profit to the authorities and as such I am complicit in an illegal transaction.
And I start to wonder, what the sales of all those 2000 AD back issues and other Rebellion titles will do to the sales of any future collections of strips contained in the comics. If you have a run of a title will you invest in an expensive volume or volumes just to have a nice spine showing on your shelves. I sometimes do, in the case of the Dan Dare h/b's and the h/b reprints of El CapitanTrueno; Rocketeer and a few others. But I prefer the original appearances in the comics themselves.
One of the big cons in Scotland has had tables full of copy dvd's of tv shows, movies, while other dealers sell dvd's of digital scans of Eagle 2000AD etc, and still other dealers have non certificated dvds on sale. All this with the knowledge of the organisers, security teams and local police. The Barras are raided regularly by police and HMRC and the place is known a s a thriving centre of the black economy. Yet thousands of folk go every weekend. And some of them buy Rebellion titles and other comics from certain dealers.
So let's hammer the illegal bits we fancy having a go at and avoid thinking about the other illegalities in the sale of comics.
By the way, there are a number of examples of HMRC threatening legal action against folk who were 1 penny out in their tax calculations. And just to be clear, if you are over your tax free allowance, you must declare it.

I must admit I hadn't thought of any comic dealers not declaring their income because (perhaps naively) I presumed they all did. Except for the occasional seller who, as pointed out, can legitimately make money within legal limits without paying tax on his sales. Basically it depends if it's his living of not. As my accountant pointed out to me, when I sell my artwork or comics it has to be declared because it's related to my business. But if I sold, say, some old postcards for a small profit, they wouldn't be taxable because my profession isn't a postcard dealer. But my Combat Colin postcards have to be declared because they're my produce and related to my business.

I'm not sure if you were also making a comparison between back issue sellers and piracy, but if you were it's not the same thing at all. The illegality of piracy pertains to copyright infringement; making a copy of the comic and publishing it without permission. Selling a back issue of a comic isn't the same thing at all. When someone puts an entire issue of The Beano online he's publishing it illegally.

As for whether back issue sellers will impact on sales of Rebellion's reprint books, I doubt it'll make much difference as it isn't that often we see many complete sets of Scream, Battle, etc up for sale. Even if there were it'd still be cheaper to buy, say, the Misty book than to seek out the Moonchild run in Misty weekly.

[abacus]

Yes I know he is dead my critical friend but I couldn't think of another way of phrasing it

I'm assuming that you simply didn't see the smilie.

Did see the humour Phoenix, was just considering the article I had typed from my own point of view and athough I did stop and think about the last sentence being wrong at the time of typing I was happy with the result and left it as it was.

Back to the subject of MISTY and the announced reprints.
As a collector I have yet to come across any Misty comics at carboots or charity shops, they don't seem easy to find apart from say Ebay or dealers, therefore reprints will be a welcome addition.

Also from a collectors point of view I think it's pity that UK hadn't adopted the US comic size many years ago, just think of Film Fun , Knockout,Tiger , Krazy,TV fun , Thunderbirds,Buster etc in that format with a one picture semi glossy cover, how much more collectable they would be.I would also prefer pocket library editions in the US size format although they seem to sell well and to some be collectable as they are.

[Phoenix]

Just an addendum to the question of The Skipper that Hannah and Zoe are trying to get three figures for. Today my mate Billy from the Wirral got that copy in a batch of issues of The Skipper from a northern dealer. Assuming that all the issues in the batch have the same value as each other, the cost to Billy of that issue 438 from 1939 was.........wait for it........£1.35.