comics on c-d rom

[Lew Stringer]

I think I mentioned before an old chap who laboriously scanned his entire collection of Victor and transferred it to disc, knowing that he would soon have to move into a 'home' where there would be no room to store his old comics. In a case like this I can't see why anybody would begrudge him the opportunity to take his beloved stories with him in the only way he could.

- Phil Rushton

No one on this thread has begrudged anyone storing their own collection onto disc.

@Marionette, even though you took my words out of context it still doesn't make it look like I advocated piracy. I'd give up trolling if I were you. It doesn't suit you.

[Marionette]

Enough with the name calling already, Lew. If you can't discuss an issue like a civilised person without resorting to ad hominem attacks then I wish you'd stop responding to me at all, like you claimed you were going to do seven pages ago.

[matrix]

Sounds like a good idea to me-----image being frail and infirm in an old folks' home, unable to communicate or whatever. A load of dvd-comics discs and a laptop could help keep a person sane in their last days----I doubt if the nursing-home staff would welcome boxes of vintage comics cluttering up their highly-polished rooms:


Oh, we can't have all these boxes on the floor, Health and Safety Regulations, dontcha' know....... if someone trips over this lot , we will get sued, there's bacteria in these old comics, best to just throw them out, hang on I'll do it right now, it's for your own good, Matron will have a hernia if she catches you with this little lot, ------ blah, blah, blah, ----- have a nice day, all the same......... and don't forget to SMILE as we impose these inhuman restrictions upon you, ---- look, we're SMILING as we take your food away from you, before you even get the chance to finish it, *, we're just off to chuck it in the bins outside, along with your smelly old comics, -------isn't life peachy-hunky-dory?!



* I've actually seen this last example happen regularly in an actual Nursing Home: I'm not saying they're ALL like this, but some like this undoubtedly exist........pretty disturbing stuff......

Ispy, if you see that happening it needs to be reported as it is elder abuse, it is mandatory reporting for staff once this is brought to their attention.
Obviously if they have boxes stacked around the room blocking access, and it is hazard to resident and staff then it needs rectifying. But staff especially are not allowed to just throw residents items away. If they loose their mobility and have to be helped with a mechanical hoist, then more room maybe required, it would then normally be discussed with the family about removing certain items.

Im sorry Ispy to be so serious, but the only way to stamp this out is to report it as an advocate for the resident, as sometimes they are scared to.

On a less serious note, I do feel that comics will have a part to play in retirement homes either digitally, or paper.

[NP]

..the printing on that facsimile of Tammy no.1 that was given away a few years ago seemed much sharper than I'd expect if it was just shot from an old comic.

It was scanned from a printed comic, as were all the facsimilie reprints given away recently.The 4 volumes of TV21 reprints issued recently had more than 60% of their pages re-shot from original artboards, which looked to be in pristine condition.

[NP]

If DCT maintain a comics archive [of original artwork] it must be truly massive and expensive to maintain... Or is a lot of stuff transferred to microfilm?

DCThomson have a large percentage of original artwork from the Twentieth Century (much less of modern artwork), all stacked up in a colossal vault. They do physically go and get the pages and re-shoot them to reprint. No microfilm. Not that I'm an insider, but I have been to the Courier building a few times.

[Lew Stringer]

Enough with the name calling already, Lew. If you can't discuss an issue like a civilised person without resorting to ad hominem attacks then I wish you'd stop responding to me at all, like you claimed you were going to do seven pages ago.

And then you baited me, again, and I responded, again. More fool me.

Now, as is the usual pattern for such mind games, you're playing the sympathy card, claiming you're a victim of "name calling". I'm sure some people who are only skimming this thread will believe you though so well done. Give yourself a gold star.

Perhaps you could go back to talking about comics again? Those posts of yours were interesting.

[ISPYSHHHGUY]

Thanks for clarifying that for us, NP: [ microfilm/ comics archiving at DCT ]: it's something I clearly wasn't too sure of.


Matrix: I worked in a nursing home a few years back, and this is when I noticed that food was being deliberately taken away from frail old women, who could hardly hold a spoon without shaking noticably.

I only lasted in this job for about two weeks, as I couldn't stand the woman in charge [she never even addressed me by my name once, the only time this has ever occurred in any place of work I ever encountered.]

Deliberately not letting old people finish their food [it was whipped away from them 'politely' but forcefully] actually disturbed me: any one of us could end up in one of these nursing homes, had I been there long enough I likely would have reported this: my sister has worked in a seperate Nursing Home and she has seen evidence of this as well [at times]; maybe it's individual staff responsible for this, and hopefully not official policy, which is more worrying.



Phew: this is the most off-topic I ever ventured---a problem worth highlighting, however....

[stevezodiac]

One thing we haven't considered is the change in British culture brought about by mass immigration. Who's to say what the make up of the British people will be a hundred years from now and what there attitude to old British comics will be with their "quaint" take on foreigners? The powers that be may then consider them to be offensive and to be wiped from history.

It Could Happen!

[philcom55]

During the 1970s my Gran ended up in a nursing home when she became very frail and started losing her faculties. Increasingly distracted and forgetful she began mislaying things, including money, to the point where she became paranoid and said the nurses were stealing from her. We tried to reassure her and told her not to worry - all the while shaking our heads at each other, appalled to see such clear evidence of her mental decline.

Six months later the Matron was sent to prison for stealing from people's rooms!

- Phil R.

[Digifiend]

One thing we haven't considered is the change in British culture brought about by mass immigration. Who's to say what the make up of the British people will be a hundred years from now and what there attitude to old British comics will be with their "quaint" take on foreigners? The powers that be may then consider them to be offensive and to be wiped from history.

It Could Happen!

Some already are. The Beano has been known to remove Peanut from the 1940s masthead on some reprints.

[dandy mad]

One thing we haven't considered is the change in British culture brought about by mass immigration. Who's to say what the make up of the British people will be a hundred years from now and what there attitude to old British comics will be with their "quaint" take on foreigners? The powers that be may then consider them to be offensive and to be wiped from history.

It Could Happen!

It already is as DCT is alerting words in the Beano comic number 1 reprint

[dandy mad]

If DCT decide to put its massive archive in digitised form will they do he whole lot or leave the politically incorrect and racist stuff out?

[stevezodiac]

I have a vast collection of comics from before 1940 and while Fleetway were regular users of offensive racial terminology their minority ethnic characters were usually portrayed as pleasant and usually came out on top, same cannot be said for Musso the Wop but we were at war with Italy at the time.

I must admit I do sometimes worry that there will be a knock at my door and my vintage comics will be taken away for destruction.

[felneymike]

Well they'd have to leave out quite a few Wizard covers, then!

The British comics of 100 years or so in the past already have been "wiped from history". The fantastical horror of the Penny Dreadfuls is "acceptable", and Dan Dare is "retro cool", but the bit in between?
Of course, the main reason for those comics being forgotten (apart from the fact they were not picture-story comics and so aren't usually counted as part of comics history, and they have no modern equivalent aimed at the same audience) is probably more to do with the "place" of comics within the pantheon of British culture as much as thier racial / imperial attitudes... though actually overt "lectures" on race are surprisingly rare in them. Probably because people just thought that white Europeans were superior as a matter of course, and didn't need to be reminded of it. Which is more disturbing, really.
But then again, comics have a far more important place in Japanese culture, yet most histories of Japanese comics mention odds and ends from the isolationist period, then talk about the "Ponchi-e" of the early Meiji period (1850's, and named after Punch magazine, dontchaknow) and will then jump to 1947, as if nothing happened in between! That is almost certianly down to the racial and cultural attitudes of those comics.

[dandy mad]

Well they'd have to leave out quite a few Wizard covers, then!

The British comics of 100 years or so in the past already have been "wiped from history". The fantastical horror of the Penny Dreadfuls is "acceptable", and Dan Dare is "retro cool", but the bit in between?
Of course, the main reason for those comics being forgotten (apart from the fact they were not picture-story comics and so aren't usually counted as part of comics history, and they have no modern equivalent aimed at the same audience) is probably more to do with the "place" of comics within the pantheon of British culture as much as thier racial / imperial attitudes... though actually overt "lectures" on race are surprisingly rare in them. Probably because people just thought that white Europeans were superior as a matter of course, and didn't need to be reminded of it. Which is more disturbing, really.
But then again, comics have a far more important place in Japanese culture, yet most histories of Japanese comics mention odds and ends from the isolationist period, then talk about the "Ponchi-e" of the early Meiji period (1850's, and named after Punch magazine, dontchaknow) and will then jump to 1947, as if nothing happened in between! That is almost certianly down to the racial and cultural attitudes of those comics.

Spadgers Isle has never been reprinted has it? Be surprised if it has tbh