This week's issue

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Scenario 1: You enjoy both comics and Lego. In this case you are getting a good deal, but because you like comics you would have bought the comic even if it didn't have Lego in it.

Scenario 2 (my position): You enjoy comics, but not Lego. In this case you are being forced into coughing up an extra £1 in order to buy something you don't want.

Scenario 3: You enjoy neither comics nor Lego. You're a bit sad but blissfully unconcerned.

Scenario 4: You enjoy Lego, but not comics. You are not standing at the comic shelf. Even if you were, you are being forced into coughing up an extra 51p in order to buy something you don't want.

The economics are at best questionable.

To put it another way, imagine if Lego were giving away a free Beano with every box. Would you buy the box at umpteen pounds solely because you wanted the comic? Or would you walk to the nearest newsagents and buy the exact same comic at £1.50?

Naturally, if you wanted the box anyway then it may spark an interest in comics - but of course this is the exact opposite effect to that intended, which was to spark an interest in Lego. Similarly, giving away Lego with the Beano stands only to make profit for Lego.

What? You don't think they were paying for this out of the kindness of their hearts, did you? :lol:
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Bear in mind that the RRP would include such things as the shop profit, which obviously isn't an issue here. DCT didn't pay £2 per Lego figure. In fact Lego may well have paid DCT to do this promotion!

And for the record, when I was that age, I was getting Lego every Christmas and birthday.

Like I said, if any of you don't want the Lego, sell it on and get your money back!
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The two things to bear in mind are as follows:-
1. The gift has some actual value, unlike most of the tat that's given away.
2. No-one on this forum is the target audience for the comic.

Mike Stirling cannot afford to produce a Beano that will please people in their 20s, 30s and 40s - he has to produce it for an 8-year old, the target audience, and in such a way that said 8 year old's parents will want to buy it for them.

People like us who intend to keep buying the Beano until our eyesight goes are in reality a tiny minority and if we only look through our own eyes, and not those of an 8 year old, we will not get the point.
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Personally, I'd have pegged Lego minifigures as being aimed at kids well under eight (and Beano is supposedly for eight to twelves, isn't it - average age around ten?). As a kid, I thought of Lego as something strictly for pre-schoolers and would have been embarrassed had a piece been given free for most of my fun comic reading years; it would have seemed a bit babyish!* (I know you get some "cooler" Lego things nowadays and some that's even supposedly for teenagers, but I still couldn't imagine sitting round playing with Lego as a teen.)



* Though I know adults do collect it.
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Lego has different ranges marketed for different age groups. Duplo for toddlers, normal Lego for older kids (6-12), and Technic for teenagers.

Andy's right anyway, as I've said before, I would be complaining with the rest of you if it was just cheap tat - but this isn't.
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No offense intended but dismissing Lego as something only pre-schoolers would like sounds like the sort of uninformed comments I'm sure we've all heard said about comics from non-collectors. :wink:

I didn't really bother with Lego after the age of 8 either but these days it's so popular with a wide age range that there's a magazine dedicated to it and they even have conventions:

http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_pa ... x&cPath=78

When I was writing Lego Adventures for Egmont we found that the readership was varied, although that comic was pitched at a young audience. It may not have had a teenage following (nor was it expected to) but it certainly had readers older than seven.

At any rate, The Beano's readership isn't set in stone. There are readers each side of the target age group. (I started reading The Beano when I was five, as I'm sure thousands of others did.) If the Lego/Beano combo brings in lots of new young readers that's a good thing surely?
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AndyB wrote:Mike Stirling cannot afford to produce a Beano that will please people in their 20s, 30s and 40s - he has to produce it for an 8-year old, the target audience, and in such a way that said 8 year old's parents will want to buy it for them.
I doubt whether anybody would argue with the points you raise, Andy, but you are evading both the issue of cost, and that of value for money. Mike Stirling is obviously quite capable of producing an issue of The Beano for your 8-year-old target. For this he charges £1.50. My problem is that when he includes some kind of enticement or inducement to buy with an issue, he charges £2.50. Why, if The Beano is as attractive as it seems to be, should there be any need for the extra inducement, especially given that the bundle is £1 more expensive than it was the previous week, a price that would seem to be an anti-inducement? Is it because fewer children are buying the comic? Or are they merely not buying it when the inducement is not very enticing, but the price has gone up to £2.50 anyway? Is the choice of a good item like the Lego figure an attempt to persuade huge numbers of children to buy that week's issue of The Beano, and facilitate megasales? When I was buying comics and story papers regularly, every so often a free gift was included. Some had a limited lifespan like the Big Crack Bang, others had greater longevity, such as a set of photographs of cricketers, or entertainers, with biographical information on the back, but crucially they could be called free gifts because the price of the comic did not increase in those weeks. The Lego figure adds two thirds of the basic price of The Beano to the basic price of The Beano that week. Clearly the Lego figure cannot be called a free gift. What is it then? A bribe? I doubt whether any item like the ball of slime (I think that was sellotaped to the front of an issue of The Dandy that I bought for my grandson Jordan several years ago) would have been any sort of threat to the future of the comic, but is it not possible that this Lego figure might just be too successful and therefore detrimental to the future of The Beano? Next week the children might just get their parents to buy them more Lego, and dispense with The Beano altogether.
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Well my 5 year old LOVED his Lego elf he got - well, it was a gnome with a fishing rod actually, I immediately thought it was some kind of Zelda Link figure :D

The "awesome" mini-mag (filled with puzzles) is one of the old school cut out, trim and fold numbers of the sort that ruined my old IPC comics from the 80s!

We subscribe so the issue of the price increase is neither here nor there for us, but it is nice to see rather less of the gift issues - my son wasn't believing me at first when I said that the gifts were much rarer when i was his age, and they were a joy to behold because of that!
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Phoenix wrote:is it not possible that this Lego figure might just be too successful and therefore detrimental to the future of The Beano? Next week the children might just get their parents to buy them more Lego, and dispense with The Beano altogether.
Unlikely. A Lego figure may have a pocket money price of £1.99 but a building or vehicle would be considerably more expensive. Anything from £10 to well over £100! Hardly comparable to the price of a comic.
meherenow wrote:The "awesome" mini-mag (filled with puzzles) is one of the old school cut out, trim and fold numbers of the sort that ruined my old IPC comics from the 80s!
Just a moment... does that mean there's actually no extra pages, because that 16 page mini-comic would account for 8 of the 40 advertised pages in the main comic...
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Phoenix wrote:Mike Stirling is obviously quite capable of producing an issue of The Beano for your 8-year-old target. For this he charges £1.50. My problem is that when he includes some kind of enticement or inducement to buy with an issue, he charges £2.50. Why, if The Beano is as attractive as it seems to be, should there be any need for the extra inducement, especially given that the bundle is £1 more expensive than it was the previous week, a price that would seem to be an anti-inducement?

We've covered all this before on previous threads. Part of the reason for the higher price is an inducement to retailers to stock extra copies, as they'll receive more from their percentage of cover price.

The Beano is selectively getting a bashing over it for some reason but most children's comics/mags do this these days. At least with The Beano and Dandy you're getting extra pages for your money.

The editor doesn't set the price by the way. Such things are decided by another department.
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Digifiend wrote:
meherenow wrote:The "awesome" mini-mag (filled with puzzles) is one of the old school cut out, trim and fold numbers of the sort that ruined my old IPC comics from the 80s!
Just a moment... does that mean there's actually no extra pages, because that 16 page mini-comic would account for 8 of the 40 advertised pages in the main comic...


Yes, The Beano itself has 32 numbered pages PLUS there's the 8 page pull out in the middle.

BIG splash on the front says "40 PAGE MEGA ISSUE!" :wink:

Oh, and the bar code box is back to "normal" this week and the issue is dated for the next Saturday, April 16th 2011.
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Phoenix wrote:is it not possible that this Lego figure might just be too successful and therefore detrimental to the future of The Beano? Next week the children might just get their parents to buy them more Lego, and dispense with The Beano altogether.
Digifiend wrote:Unlikely. A Lego figure may have a pocket money price of £1.99 but a building or vehicle would be considerably more expensive. Anything from £10 to well over £100! Hardly comparable to the price of a comic.
I will confess, Digi, that I don't know how much pocket money an 8-year-old gets, nor do I know the current prices for Lego, but any comparison would have to have been made with lots of issues of The Beano, not just one, because the implication was that the child would have made a choice, a change of allegiance. However, my final comment was intended to be lighthearted. Perhaps I should have used a couple of smilies. I don't seriously expect The Beano to go under any time soon. It is too iconic a title for Thomsons to allow that to happen. On the other hand I am seriously critical about the hike in price at bundling time. Children like to know where they stand, and stable prices for their pocket money items must be part of the deal, regardless of how many extra pages the comic provides. I also believe that the financial climate over the next couple of years will force parents to place their entire budget under a microscope, and decide which items will be essential, and which will be classed as luxury. Whatever the family, a comic costing £1.50 has more chance of being considered essential than one costing £2.50.
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Lew Stringer wrote:No offense intended but dismissing Lego as something only pre-schoolers would like sounds like the sort of uninformed comments I'm sure we've all heard said about comics from non-collectors. :wink:

I didn't really bother with Lego after the age of 8 either but these days it's so popular with a wide age range that there's a magazine dedicated to it and they even have conventions:

I alluded to all that in my post, though, didn't I? Though I do tend to think of it - perhaps unfairly - as essentially something given to tots to keep them busy in nurseries and playgroups, there have, of course, been some quite creative Lego sets over the years, some quite (relatively) complex ones, and it may even have inspired a few generations of architects! Having said that, I still couldn't have imagined playing with it over the age of about six or seven. I'd be surprised if most older kids didn't think those little Lego figures looked a bit naff.

"There are readers each side of the target age group. (I started reading The Beano when I was five, as I'm sure thousands of others did.) If the Lego/Beano combo brings in lots of new young readers that's a good thing surely?"

Yes, but with a wide age range, you also have to be careful not to make the older readers embarrassed and think "Hang on, maybe I'm getting a bit old for this comic," too!

Anyway, in the interests of balance, I think there should be a free Sticklebrick the week after.
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Lew Stringer wrote: The editor doesn't set the price by the way. Such things are decided by another department.
I take it that you assumed I did know that. My short circuit seemed appropriate given the thrust of the point I was trying to make.
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Raven wrote:Anyway, in the interests of balance, I think there should be a free Sticklebrick the week after.
What on earth can you do, Raven, with just the one sticklebrick?
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