ABCs for Jan-Jun 2011 - disappointing results...

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Re: ABCs for Jan-Jun 2011 - disappointing results...

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-MikeD- wrote: My 8 year old is now collecting copies of Monster Fun and Whoopee, and loves Krazy Komic as much as I did back in the day.

Showing great taste, there. Though I really looked forward to Monster Fun day at the time, I think I now appreciate more than ever what a great comic it was.

Try to get him into Shiver and Shake, too! Another instance where I'm rediscovering just how strong it was - and possibly even greater than Monster Fun (Match of the Week, Scream Inn, Lolly Pop, Horrornation Street, Leo Baxendale's original Sweeney Toddler, Frankie Stein ... wow.) And the combined Whoopee/Shiver and Shake was fantastic, too.

What a hip retro-8 year old you have.
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meherenow wrote:So maybe it is not the end of The Dandy, but it sure does look like it - if the recent Bananaman "advertorial" in The Beano is anything to go by (and I am sorry if the writer/artist is here) it just isn't funny, or pleasant on the eye. Again, only my opinion which probably I am passing on to my offspring. Back to Nutty for us.

But he laughs out loud at the oldies.... :offtopic2: Maybe if more young folk could have immersed themselves in some of the funny business I'm on about or some adventure action they might not have felt the need to go out panning windows in to get some trainers or a big telly to watch the flipping X Factor on....

But then Waterstones and WH Smiths were among the only shops NOT to be targetted. :offtopic2:
Speaking of Waterstones, no annuals! They've been out for a month already, and I've only seen them in WHSmith and online (and there does seem to a be significantly fewer titles this year). Same problem as the Dandy has, and Classics, and the Fun-Sizes had - lack of distribution and high street presence. No wonder the Dennis annual got axed (and the Bash Street one the year before) and the Beano-Dandy retro book became a "gift book" instead of an annual (that's due next month, but I don't think reclassifying it will help at all, because it now probably won't be included in those kids annuals multibuy offers, and they increased the RRP to boot).

Face facts, and no offence to the creators, as it's not your fault (I blame marketing) but comics are going out of fashion fast. The Dandy's sales dropped pretty much to cancellation levels, but all the other comics we got figures for were down by some degree too. It isn't just DCT who should be worried. If something isn't done, the Dandy won't be the only title in danger, it will only be the first of many to fall in the second decade of the 21st Century.

I wonder, are superheroes bucking the trend? How are the Marvel and DC Collectors editions doing? They're aimed at an older age group than Beano and Dandy, so maybe the demographic is the problem. Then again, Doctor Who Magazine is aimed at an older age group too, and that's lost readers. Bah, I just can't think of a solution! :headbash:
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See, I think that's the perilous tightrope both The Dandy (and to a lesser extent, maybe) The Beano has to walk, having both become victims of their previous successes and thus forever solidified in the minds of people as being done in a certain way.

But the golden ages for both titles have long gone, which leaves the editors and publishers with a quandary - do they stick with the old formula and hope there's enough parents with fond memories to buy the comic for their kids, or do they try something new to appeal to the kids themselves?

The Dandy went with the latter, which I think was the right move (and not just because they agreed to publish my daubings!) And if the feedback from the kids themselves is anything to go by, then they concur. I've not seen such passion for the characters as I have in the new Dandy for a while, and it's heartening. The trouble is, on the other hand, it's definitely alienated some of those who remember the good ol' days, some of whom subsequently don't deem it good enough for their kids.

But does that solely account for the disappointing ABCs? I don't think so. Let us not forget that the incarnation prior to this was even more wildly different than the classic era in many ways, featuring a few pages of comics and a huge quantity of articles and interviews.

I think it was the right decision to move the title back to being a pure comic. And I think it was done brilliantly, with verve and skill. It reminded me a lot of another comic, which from 1951 onwards, began introducing a lot of fresh blood and new characters into the title, quite unlike what the comic had seen beforehand, but which proved a great success. I refer, of course, to The Beano.

As former Beano editor Euan Kerr said in a recent interview: 'The Dandy in the 1950s failed to move with the times in the same way as The Beano. They have been playing catch up ever since. '

It seems ironic that now The Dandy are arguably well up with the times, they have fallen further behind in sales.

It's frustrating, and rather heart-breaking to see such a bold experiment not selling as it should deserve.
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Raven wrote:
-MikeD- wrote: My 8 year old is now collecting copies of Monster Fun and Whoopee, and loves Krazy Komic as much as I did back in the day.
Showing great taste, there. Though I really looked forward to Monster Fun day at the time, I think I now appreciate more than ever what a great comic it was.

Try to get him into Shiver and Shake, too! Another instance where I'm rediscovering just how strong it was - and possibly even greater than Monster Fun (Match of the Week, Scream Inn, Lolly Pop, Horrornation Street, Leo Baxendale's original Sweeney Toddler, Frankie Stein ... wow.) And the combined Whoopee/Shiver and Shake was fantastic, too.

What a hip retro-8 year old you have.
I have a few copies of Shiver and Shake back at my mother's house - you've made me want to read them again!

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I'm not sure how well UK Marvel and DC editions are selling but in the USA the direct sales market figures pointed to a year-on-year deficit of 11.21% in May (the last figures I have seen). Although a lot of this was attributed to the Free comic book day sales - re the Dandy could it be the name of the book itself goes against its sales (rather than being a plus) maybe seen as old fashioned etc - I also would think that today's parents (most of them) were reading comics on the 90s when they were not as good as they may have been in the 60s - 80s so there is less "feeling" for them and as such they don't pick them up for their kids - although that really doesnt point to such a sharp decline (of course there is a recession )
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-MikeD- wrote: I have a few copies of Shiver and Shake back at my mother's house - you've made me want to read them again!

And I didn't even mention Biddy's Beastly Bloomers!
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Raven wrote:
-MikeD- wrote: My 8 year old is now collecting copies of Monster Fun and Whoopee, and loves Krazy Komic as much as I did back in the day.

Showing great taste, there. Though I really looked forward to Monster Fun day at the time, I think I now appreciate more than ever what a great comic it was.

Try to get him into Shiver and Shake, too! Another instance where I'm rediscovering just how strong it was - and possibly even greater than Monster Fun (Match of the Week, Scream Inn, Lolly Pop, Horrornation Street, Leo Baxendale's original Sweeney Toddler, Frankie Stein ... wow.) And the combined Whoopee/Shiver and Shake was fantastic, too.

What a hip retro-8 year old you have.
I've spent much of this afternoon adding Shiver & Shake characters to the http://britishcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Shiver_and_Shake , which has of course necessitated sitting and reading a number of them (what a hardship). I loved that comic. I preferred it to Monster Fun. And I never did find out how Malice in Wonderland ended...
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Digifiend wrote: I wonder, are superheroes bucking the trend? How are the Marvel and DC Collectors editions doing? They're aimed at an older age group than Beano and Dandy, so maybe the demographic is the problem. Then again, Doctor Who Magazine is aimed at an older age group too, and that's lost readers. Bah, I just can't think of a solution! :headbash:
The Panini/Marvel books still seem to be doing pretty well (helped, no doubt, by the fact that they do have good distribution in newsagents; my village shop routinely gets about three of them in). As for Doctor Who Magazine; yes, it has lost readers lately (I doubt the price increase helped) but to get some perspective on that, you have to consider that it still sells significantly more copies than it ever did when Doctor Who was on its 16 year hiatus, it has only lost a percentage of the phenomenal number of new readers who came on board with the 2005 relaunch, and no craze lasts that long. I doubt it's in any danger.
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According to this BBC News Article in 2001 the Beano sold 250,000 copies a week back then. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1106186.stm However I think that might be too high. But if it is right then in ten years its dropped to 37,000 a week thats almost 15 per cent as many sales as it was ten years ago which is a massive drop.
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I think the BBC info was about 20 years out of date. Sounds right for the 1970s or early 1980s, not 2001.
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It's a good job that DCT outsourced their comics printing to outside , smaller presses.

Just imagine if they tried to print out 7000 Dandys on their old, heavy-duty presses, built to turn out millions of copies: they would well overshoot 7,000 copies before they could stop the press.
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As former Beano editor Euan Kerr said in a recent interview: 'The Dandy in the 1950s failed to move with the times in the same way as The Beano. They have been playing catch up ever since. '

It seems ironic that now The Dandy are arguably well up with the times, they have fallen further behind in sales.

It's frustrating, and rather heart-breaking to see such a bold experiment not selling as it should deserve.
I agree with your comments, and I think Euan was also right to say that the Beano overtook the Dandy at that point.

Thanks for posting the link to that article, I'm glad to hear that Euan is having a happy retirement.
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Raven wrote: But 2008's The History of The Beano apparently didn't sell well enough for any further coffee table books
Don't speak so soon, they have something planned.
Euan Kerr wrote:There is also the possibility that I may be involved in a Beano nostalgia product. My lips are sealed.
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Wow: I thought that Mr Kerr had joined the board for a sec there!
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