Why are men collecting old girls' comics these days?

Discuss all the girls comics that have appeared over the years. Excellent titles like Bunty, Misty, Spellbound, Tammy and June, amongst many others, can all be remembered here.

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Marionette wrote:Look at it another way, if you take both anecdotes and replace "girl" with "black person", would you agree that they might look a bit racist to the casual reader?
If we are just taking both anecdotes, we can only replace girl with black girl. Doing so, however, would add nothing to the anecdotes. In any case, how do we know that David's female classmates didn't contain black girls, Chinese girls, or girls of any other race, and how do you know that G or his then girlfriend aren't black? After all, throughout my career I had children of a whole range of nationalities, and it never occurred to me to treat any of them differently from anybody else. The Liverpool area, Sefton and the Wirral areas, have been multi-racial since time immemorial. Racists and misogynists wouldn't last very long in schools in those areas.

I'm going to draw a personal line under this discussion at this point as Admin are shortly going to get cross, and as I am permanently at daggers drawn with one of them, another Board Warning will certainly trigger my already-stated decision to depart permanently from comicsuk. Even the hint of one might do it. I'd like to avoid that if possible.
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Sorry I didn't mean or want to start something here...

I'll say the majority of girls at my school were unpleasant types and any who weren't were peer pressured to be. And some also hoped of marrying a rich sugar daddy or being a boss from hell with their own businesses. A lot were of the extreme small town mentality type - think of like "Carrie" or in comic terms "Moonchild". (and I'll add the girls were virtually all white too in a small narrow-minded town).

As regards the Sue Brewer book, Mary Wynter's intro was the best bit about it - it was more disappointing in that a lot of space got taken up by comic merchandise, Girl leads in humour comics (for both genders) and American stuff, including support characters like in the Peanuts cartoons.

Was not enough space on the UK comics or more details on the various characters that passed through.
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After this encounter with the annuals - and I'd never heard of the "JUne" title till then- a few years later I got the Dennis Gifford book on comic strips - say some of the girls comic entries and thoguht that was a great idea.

Many many years later a stumbled accross a best a June & SF book in a bookshop and remembering those annuals had a curious flick through - and things snowballed from there...
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DavidKW wrote:As regards the Sue Brewer book, Mary Wynter's intro was the best bit about it - it was more disappointing in that a lot of space got taken up by comic merchandise, Girl leads in humour comics (for both genders) and American stuff, including support characters like in the Peanuts cartoons. Was not enough space on the UK comics or more details on the various characters that passed through.
I must admit, David, that when you first mentioned Mark Wynter's Foreward I assumed you didn't like it. Hence my rather tongue-in-cheek question, Were these the only pages that disappointed you, David? Now it seems to be the only bit you did like.

I think it is disappointing too, as will most comicsuk members whose main interest in comics and story papers is the story content. But that doesn't in any way mean that the general public will necessarily have been disappointed by it. Susan will have discussed her project with her publishing company, who may well have insisted on the inclusion of themes that Susan wasn't planning on writing about. After all, they will have put up the money. Such compromises are rarely satisfactory, but one can assume that the resulting book is a compromise of some description.

I do see some real positives. The cover is striking. It's a pity that room could not be found for a School Friend, a Jinty and a Tammy because all eleven featured titles are from DC Thomsons' output, which might instantly make devotees of those IPC titles put the book back on the shelf in the bookshop. Inside there are many pages of excellent covers in colour, and many more illustrations of different items in black and white. Most of these will have been evocative of the past for many girls, including those who collected the free gifts occasionally included with the papers, and those who joined the clubs. She also makes a decent job of seeing the various story papers in their historical progression, no real depth but certainly enough context for the general reader.

Negatives for me would be the chapter on Part-Works, and the one on the Newspaper Strips could easily have been put in an Appendix. I don't feel strongly either way on the Tie-Ins or her chapter on Collecting Comics - What's Next? I do think, though, that story papers from IPC should have had a greater presence. Overall, the only issue for me is that those potential readers wanting a lot more detail and analysis of their favourite papers, and the stories within those pages, will feel short-changed by this book. However, I believe it would be unfair of those of us who have collections of these story papers, and certainly know more than Susan is revealing about them, to criticise it too aggressively because she didn't write it for us, and if her writing has led to a few hundred more women buying in the ones they remember from their childhood, then her efforts have certainly not been in vain.
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I think that was the main thing: there was very little space given about the Schoolfriend, Jinty, Tammy, plus June, Sally etc. in the book when they deserved more.

Perhaps somebody should write a detailed book on the comic titles with more on their history and what exectly caused each titles decline, plus details on the various strips.

Or a book like the Dennis Gifford one with an a-z of all girls strips and much more details on each one esp the long runners (and list every single artist who drew it and when).

Or dare I say it books on men who collect them and why they do.
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I thoguht I'd revive this after another blog a while back on what started the comic collecting bug in people got me thinking:

What got some men inspired to start collecting girls' comics? What was the spark that gave the collecting bug? (This could come from men who collect &or women hwo know men who do).

Mine's a bit of a long story I'm putting together.
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One thing that is always interesting is that many (not all) stories from girls’ comics were edited, written and drawn by the same artists as boys comics – Jim Baikie to name but one.

Interestingly Charley’s War was written by Pat Mills using the same formulae for writing a girls’ story.

For one of the best 'Major Eazy' (page 1 of this thread) references check out James Coburn in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Iron – a film which I’ve never seen repeated, though it is a forgotten classic.
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DavidKW wrote:I thoguht I'd revive this after another blog a while back on what started the comic collecting bug in people got me thinking:

What got some men inspired to start collecting girls' comics? What was the spark that gave the collecting bug? (This could come from men who collect &or women hwo know men who do).

Mine's a bit of a long story I'm putting together.
I've never collected them but the first time I bought a girls' comic annual it was as an adult, I already knew what to expect from the boys or unisex comic annuals I'd see in second hand shops, but I'd never tried a girls' one before and I was curious. Same reason I was already exploring foreign, small press and alternative comic books. As a boy I'd have felt embarrassed to read a girls' comic, but not as an adult. For adults all comic-reading is considered equally shameful in the eyes of the public.
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DavidKW wrote:I thoguht I'd revive this after another blog a while back on what started the comic collecting bug in people got me thinking:

What got some men inspired to start collecting girls' comics? What was the spark that gave the collecting bug? (This could come from men who collect &or women hwo know men who do).

Mine's a bit of a long story I'm putting together.

I've bought a few over the last couple of years (Tammy and Diana mainly) but still haven't gotten around to reading them. I bought them for the same reason as I usually buy comics; mainly for the artwork, then to look at the story structure. The writing techniques in girls comics was based more on emotion and character than the boys comics of the day so those differences intrigue me.

I doubt I'll buy any more. I have enough to satisfy my curiosity about them. Some nice John Burns art in the Dianas.
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There is evidence boys liked girls comics, though I imagine they wouldn't admit it. I have heard Misty had a male readership.
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I remember being horribly self-conscious about buying Lady Penelope as an eleven-year-old - even though it featured strips like the Man from Uncle!
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philcom55 wrote:I remember being horribly self-conscious about buying Lady Penelope as an eleven-year-old - even though it featured strips like the Man from Uncle!
Boys in similar positions probably said they were buying it for their sisters.
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Tammyfan wrote:Boys in similar positions probably said they were buying it for their sisters.
Not if they didn't actually have any, and were buying it in their local newsagent's, as the proprietor would almost certainly know the names, and even the ages, of all their siblings.
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I think with Lady Penelope many boys liked Thunderbirds & lusted after Lady P a bit - perhaps had in mind boys who might sneak a read as well.

On that documentary Comics Uk it mentioned that Misty attracted a lot of male readers - perhaps as they could say they read it without feeling of embarressment and losing face.
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I went to comic fair in Manchester on Saturday - bought some Misty. Was talking to dealer I know well - knows I collect the girls stuff & we discussed the collecting for a bit.

Unfortunately as we did an acquaintance I knew from many yeras ago said hello & stood next to me as we chatted.

Oh no I was thinking later - he'll know my secret & likely will tell his mates whom I also knew - some are very loud mouthed too.

It's not easy keeping this hobby a secret! Never live this down if people where I work find out (if not already)!
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