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Tin Can Tommy wrote:
-MikeD- wrote:I still cannot understand the massive and continuing difference between The Beano and Dandy figures...the Dandy is at least on a par with it's sister publication, quality-wise.

Is a lot of it just down to the lack of recognisable 'brand' characters? Would the return of a more traditional, nostalgia-friendly Korky help? Maybe the Dandy could half-inch a character from The Beano in exchange for Bananaman. My vote is for Biffo... :D
Nostalgia doesnt really sell though Classics from the Comics used Korky and Biffo on the covers alot and it still didnt sell, they may also be too old to relate to today's parents of Beano/Dandy readers who grew up in the 80s when neither of these two were very popular. Also reader polls have shown before that both those two characters arent very popular with readers (although with a good script this could change easily) thats why Biffo was dropped and Korky had that infamous no votes liking the strip or disliking it incident.
Yeah, I guess I was being a little facetious, which is why I mentioned Biffo. :) But I definitely think recognisable characters are important. A quick butcher's at the Dandy's rivals seems to suggest that branding and public awareness is more important than good stories. Of course, a mix of both is the ideal...
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Toxic's doing well despite the fact that it's comic strips are neither licensed (like Ben 10) nor famous (like Dennis the Menace and Bananaman). Having run for almost 10 years and 200 issues, it's too long running to be just a fad like so many cartoon tie-ins, but not long running enough to have that multi-generational brand awareness like the Beano and Dandy.

Meanwhile, Beano relies on it's five core strips (Dennis, Minnie, Roger, Bash Street, and now Bananaman) and it's logo for familiarity. Dandy made the mistake of downplaying it's famous brand during the Xtreme era, and now they're paying the price. They should've done what Beano does, and heavily promoted the brand. They do seem to be making an effort to remedy it, including the Bananaman cross promotion, and selling the retro Dan merchandise, but they desperately need to re-establish that brand awareness.
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Digifiend wrote:Having run for almost 10 years and 200 issues, it's too long running to be just a fad like so many cartoon tie-ins, but not long running enough to have that multi-generational brand awareness like the Beano and Dandy.

Meanwhile, Beano relies on it's five core strips (Dennis, Minnie, Roger, Bash Street, and now Bananaman) and it's logo for familiarity. Dandy made the mistake of downplaying it's famous brand during the Xtreme era, and now they're paying the price. They should've done what Beano does, and heavily promoted the brand. They do seem to be making an effort to remedy it, including the Bananaman cross promotion, and selling the retro Dan merchandise, but they desperately need to re-establish that brand awareness.

Do you actually work in marketing? I still find it hard to imagine people who don't, casually using marketing-speak phrases like "multi-generational brand awareness."

At least you didn't mention "maximising market penetration."
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I agree with James on this one.

It seems the Dandy have messed up by beginning the Xtreme era - an era barely anyone enjoyed.

The Beano is dead-famous - ask anyone in Britain if they've heard of The Beano and it's most likely they'd say yes. Everyone knows who Dennis the Menace is - he's almost like the celebrity of the Beano.

The Dandy however, sadly is not. Nobody knows who Desperate Dan is, nobody knows who Korky the Cat is and the same goes for the rest of the characters - except the celebrities.

(I'm also really annoyed that the Toxic is doing so well compared to the Beano and Dandy as it's quite frankly appalling! Then again, these are the same age readers who think the Dandy should just be celebrities and think that Wenlock and Mandeville are funny).
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These figures are definitely much better than they could have been. The Dandy's sales haven't changed by any statistically significant amount, but that's infinitely preferable to dropping by 50%!

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the lesson we can learn from bringing together the sales figures, the tales of trying to find the Dandy for sale, and the tales of kids' reactions when they actually do manage to get a copy, is that the Dandy, far from failing on its own merit, has been royally screwed by circumstances beyond its control.

And once the decline started, it can really only accelerate. Retailers decide they don't want to stock a comic, so its sales fall, so more retailers decide they don't want to stock it, etc. etc. It happened with the Fun-Sizes and Classics - that, not any fault with Classics itself, was what led to its cancellation. Did anyone ever see Classics for sale anywhere? I might have glimpsed one or two copies hiding in the largest branches of WHSmith on occasion, but that was it. The Fun-Sizes were even more difficult to find. Now the Dandy is most of the way along that same road.

This is the tragedy of clinging to a business model which served comics so well up until the last two decades of the 20th century. Gone forever is the comic rack in your local corner shop, replaced possibly with one or two copies of Cartoon Network's cash-in-of-the-week lurking at the back of the puzzle magazine section if you're lucky, but more frequently with nothing at all. Chain retailers have a slightly better record, but only because they have more shelf space - the likelihood of finding obscure titles such as the Dandy and 2000AD is directly correlated to how much space the shop needs to pad out, which isn't much of a vote of confidence in how eager they are to sell comics.

The moment when retailers, which comics continue to rely almost exclusively on the goodwill of in order to sell any copies at all, became actively hostile towards comics can probably be pinpointed fairly precisely around the moment when Oink! was mercilessly persecuted for daring to do something which wasn't quite bland and mainstream enough for WHSmith's tastes, and hounded into cancellation through deliberate mis-shelving or outright refusal. The temperature has only increased since then. Nowadays, in order to be considered as anything more significant than a niche interest, a comic must have a massive picture of Spongebob Squarepants or Peppa Pig on its cover, otherwise it's lumped right in with the 1950s lorry pictures and fishing rod catalogues.

The Beano's and Dandy's desperate attempts to redeem themselves in the eyes of retailers, in the face of all evidence suggesting retailers will never be interested, manifest themselves in other ways. Neither has yet arrived at a Toxic state of affairs, with every issue bagged up and shipped with cheap toys, and a fashionable cartoon character on the front of every issue, but both are heading that way. Price hikes and bagged toys are now inflicted upon customers at every opportunity, merely to satisfy the whims of the process the unfortunate customers must still go through in order to casually purchase a comic, not because of any evidence suggesting that customers relish the prospect of being asked to pay more for very little added value. The Dandy has gone even further as of this week, imitating Toxic's irregular publishing schedule, simply because if Toxic does it then it must be the right way to appease those with the greatest power over commercial success. (The last time it followed that train of thought to its logical conclusion, it sold twice as many copies - but at what price to the goodwill of the people who were actually buying them?)

In short, the business model is broken, and beyond repair at that. The Beano and Dandy have experienced a long-term slide in sales, not because of independent changes in British culture, not because children no longer view comics as a rewarding form of entertainment, not because children who actually do manage to read them dislike them, and certainly not because of any inferiority in content, but because of a culture shift away from comics in a much more important sector - newsagents. It doesn't matter whether or not people buy comics, all that matters is whether or not the retail sector thinks they will - and from this purely hypothetical shift in purchasing habits, real, systematic havoc has been wreaked throughout an entire sector by those who rightfully ought to exercise the least influence upon its sales figures. Comics can't stand or fall on their own merits any more - they can conform to a new, bland, commercialised mould which WHSmith and independent newsagents will cheerfully stock, or they can struggle against the wind and try to produce the best output they can in the face of relentless adveristy. DC Thomson is one of the only companies left attempting to do the latter, and if anything the amount of success it's having is warning off others from following.

The paradox brought about by the inordinate amount of power wielded by the guardians of the high street magazine rack is that the inferior output invariably sells better, simply through brute force and a deliberate bias in its favour in the retail industry. If the Dandy's existence was once again common knowledge in households up and down the land, and every corner shop and high street chain had copies on its shelves, its sales figures would surely easily surpass anything Peppa Pig could muster, but those days will never arrive again, and it's been reduced to scrabbling among the last devoted scraps.

The new "Golden Age" of British comics, as recently predicted by a few of our wider-eyed optimists (you know who you are), is a complete myth. The last time comics were commercially viable was forty years ago. Today, we admittedly have a thriving small press sector, but that means very little when the definition of 'thriving' can amount to no more than a few hundred sales. Such things, along with graphic novels, are usually available only in that all-too-rare phenomenon known as a 'comic shop', which, if Gosh! is anything to go by, is not the most accessible of locations, and hardly a serious rival to a newsagent. (Until I started buying the Phoenix, I didn't even know central London had any public transport black holes. They couldn't have chosen a worse location if they tried.)

There are people and companies taking tentative steps back into mainstream comics (where 'mainstream' is defined, from a retail perspective, as 'not quite as niche as small press'), and once again their experiences serve as a cautionary tale to anyone else considering questioning the judgement of the all-powerful chain newsagents. The Phoenix, as many of us can personally attest, suffered the ignominious fate of 99% of even the very few shops which theoretically were supposed to sell the thing arbitrarily deciding that they wanted nothing to do with it, and to all intents and purposes now relies on a subscription-only business model just like that which decisively did for its predecessor. Strip magazine hasn't even got that far yet, but is highly likely to suffer the same fate come the moment when it's supposed to be sold outside of the Soho ghetto and its ilk.

This leads us to the inevitable question: just how can the Dandy - and, at an unknown but certain point in the future, the Beano - become viable again? It's been plain for a number of decades that throwing it ever more forcefully at the unyielding stone wall presented by retailers will bring either misery to its purchasers, or misery to its sales figures, or both.

One of the constants in the stories posted in this thread, and elsewhere, by those who have both successfully purchased the comic and shown it to children (not necessarily their own), is that the kids love it. Kev F once even went so far as to suggest it was statistically one of the most popular comics among the many schoolchildren he has personally had contact with, which must surely be a reflection on how a comic's quality need not have any correlation to its sales figures nowadays. The targets must therefore be: (1) get kids to read it, and therefore badger their parents for it, while (2) cutting retailers out of the middle. For a widely read, quality, original comic, you cannot have (2) without (1), as proved by the DFC, and nor can you have (1) without (2), as proved by the sad case of the Dandy.

I modestly propose a solution:

Have a look at this post and this followup. Consider the impact of a hitherto largely neglected factor in getting modern children exposed to, and subsequently purchasing, the Beano: the wet play classroom comics box.

It can be easy to forget, in a forum filled principally with adult comics fans, some with children, discussing the purchasing of comics, than not every child is lucky enough to have a comic-purchasing parent to introduce them to the joys of the artform. Traditionally, those who are not would come into comic purchasing by other means, whether that be television advertising, wandering around a newsagents with pocket money to spend, or a parent impulse-purchasing a title from the nearest bulging comic rack just to shut them up. Nowadays, all three methods are long gone and never coming back, and the reason behind the sales slide is that nothing has stepped in to fill the gap.

That just leaves the method which everybody forgets - kids coming across comics independently, without any money changing hands to discourage them, and with nothing better to do. How many people here read their first copy of the Beano sitting by a little pile of them kept within the school environment for emergencies? I know I did. Why has nobody yet thought of exploiting this sole reliable remaining source - beyond historical and parental goodwill - of turning formerly non-comic-purchasing children onto comics?

The trouble with classroom comic stashes is that they must come from somewhere, and more often than not that somewhere is somebody else's comic collection which they grew out of (or their parents thought they had grown out of, which isn't necessarily the same thing), and didn't want to go to waste. The trouble is that, as the number of children reading comics plummets, so it follows that the number of said children growing out of them has similarly reduced, and currently the only way to increase that figure is indirectly, by the futile means of selling more copies at the newsagent.

Maybe it's time to cut out the middleman.

It's been common knowledge for some time that DC Thomson test their products out on local primary schools. The Dandy almost lost Desperate Dan in the 2010 revamp, until the classroom subjects said they wanted him back. Waterboy in Super School was nearly called Moon Boy, before the pupils returned the unsurprising verdict that this was unclear and ill-matched to his actual powers. Dangerous Dan and countless other comics and characters have been through the same process.

Why not extend that influence to distributing actual back issues of the comic?

If the Dandy isn't sold under a sale-or-return policy (if not, that can't be helping its chances), now's the time to introduce one. When the returns come back, instead of pulping them or stashing them in some dusty warehouse somewhere, distribute them to schools everywhere. Charge nothing, and simply present it as a gesture of goodwill to the grateful teachers, and wait for the copies to filter down into the classrooms, and subsequently the pupils. The pupils, as we have already established, will love it, and soon they'll start wondering where they can get some brand-new issues of their own. This will still run up against the fairly impenetrable barrier of the Dandy not being available in half the towns in Britain, but the towns where kids can buy it will notice a sales increase.

It may take years, but in the absolute best-case scenario, by going straight to the grassroots, DCT may succeed in instigating an entire culture change. It'll cost much less than TV advertising, or blitzing retailers, or publicity stunts, and it'll probably give better results, given the already certain effectiveness of comics in the classroom on influencing purchasing habits. The relationship could be taken even further by arranging to directly sell comics through the school tuck shop or similar, which must be much cheaper - as well as more reliable - than paying through the nose for two square inches of visibility at WHSmith.

I have no idea how practical this may be, and I'm certain it's never been done before, but if there was ever a time for desperate measures, this is it. Not just for the sake of the Dandy, but for the future of all comics everywhere. The Dandy's present treatment will surely eventually kill it, so it's better to try something new and radical, and not even entirely unproven, than to hope that the 1950s will last forever.
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Raven wrote:
Digifiend wrote:Having run for almost 10 years and 200 issues, it's too long running to be just a fad like so many cartoon tie-ins, but not long running enough to have that multi-generational brand awareness like the Beano and Dandy.

Meanwhile, Beano relies on it's five core strips (Dennis, Minnie, Roger, Bash Street, and now Bananaman) and it's logo for familiarity. Dandy made the mistake of downplaying it's famous brand during the Xtreme era, and now they're paying the price. They should've done what Beano does, and heavily promoted the brand. They do seem to be making an effort to remedy it, including the Bananaman cross promotion, and selling the retro Dan merchandise, but they desperately need to re-establish that brand awareness.

Do you actually work in marketing? I still find it hard to imagine people who don't, casually using marketing-speak phrases like "multi-generational brand awareness."

At least you didn't mention "maximising market penetration."
I was directly responding to MikeD's post, which also mentioned brand awareness.
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Beano and Dandy are on sale or return as far as I know, but WHS and co still want too much money for putting them on the shelves.

I like Martin's idea, actually. I don't think it's practical, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be successful if it were!
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Digifiend wrote:I was directly responding to MikeD's post, which also mentioned brand awareness.

It may be because I was alive during a period when that kind of (to my ears) corporate marketing babble would have been responded to with great cynicism, but I do sometimes wonder if people are critical enough of such talk - it's interesting that these things actually sold so much better before marketing think took over the world! (I still like to think these are artistic creations rather than just 'product lines' - which is what 'brand' means - like tinned beans.)
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swirlythingy wrote:I'm becoming more and more convinced that the lesson we can learn from bringing together the sales figures, the tales of trying to find the Dandy for sale, and the tales of kids' reactions when they actually do manage to get a copy, is that the Dandy, far from failing on its own merit, has been royally screwed by circumstances beyond its control.
Some interesting thoughts, Swirly, but not quite flawless logic, I don't think.

For example, if it's true that all kids do love The Dandy when they actually get to see it, why, then, did 50% of its existing, regular readers drop the comic over the last year?

And though you say the newsagents' reluctance to stock the title is destroying it - and others, when The Dandy relaunched it was promoted very well indeed in newsagents. I remember my local Sainsbury's even had a big stand up holder thingy full of them - probably a few dozen issues, and there seemed to be stacks of the title everywhere. But it didn't tend to sell, so the shops surely started stocking less and less to try to match - from experience - how many they were likely to shift. I remember seeing a good stock remaining in comic shop outlets for quite a while but, by the end of the week, barely any had ever shifted when I looked. So they weren't well stocked, ultimately, because they didn't sell. Now, the usual places I see, tend to stock three to five issues (which, again, don't always seem to move).

swirlythingy wrote:The moment when retailers, which comics continue to rely almost exclusively on the goodwill of in order to sell any copies at all, became actively hostile towards comics can probably be pinpointed fairly precisely around the moment when Oink! was mercilessly persecuted for daring to do something which wasn't quite bland and mainstream enough for WHSmith's tastes, and hounded into cancellation through deliberate mis-shelving or outright refusal.
You may be interested to hear that in Leo Baxendale's autobiography, he tells of how, after launching his Odhams comic Wham way back in 1964, long pre-Oinkgate, he visited a score of newsagents in a busy London district to see how well it was being stocked. Some of the newsagents looked vacant when asked about it; all of them "were utterly blasé about comics. They didn't want to know ... They regarded comics as an infernal nuisance ... We heard some caustic comics about ******* comics that day."

swirlythingy wrote:It's been common knowledge for some time that DC Thomson test their products out on local primary schools. The Dandy almost lost Desperate Dan in the 2010 revamp, until the classroom subjects said they wanted him back. Waterboy in Super School was nearly called Moon Boy, before the pupils returned the unsurprising verdict that this was unclear and ill-matched to his actual powers. Dangerous Dan and countless other comics and characters have been through the same process.
This would seem to be yet more proof that cynical focus grouping simply doesn't work! But will it stop and be replaced by creative inspiration ... ?

swirlythingy wrote:Such things, along with graphic novels, are usually available only in that all-too-rare phenomenon known as a 'comic shop', which, if Gosh! is anything to go by, is not the most accessible of locations, and hardly a serious rival to a newsagent. (Until I started buying the Phoenix, I didn't even know central London had any public transport black holes. They couldn't have chosen a worse location if they tried.)
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Raven wrote:For example, if it's true that all kids do love The Dandy when they actually get to see it, why, then, did 50% of its existing, regular readers drop the comic over the last year?
Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Dandy Xtreme was moulded to newsagents' expectations, and therefore was relatively easy to find. Now entire areas of the country are completely without a single issue of the Dandy, and have been for some time. They can't buy it if it's not there, can they?
Raven wrote:And though you say the newsagents' reluctance to stock the title is destroying it - and others, when The Dandy relaunched it was promoted very well indeed in newsagents. I remember my local Sainsbury's even had a big stand up holder thingy full of them - probably a few dozen issues, and there seemed to be stacks of the title everywhere. But it didn't tend to sell, so the shops surely started stocking less and less to try to match - from experience - how many they were likely to shift. I remember seeing a good stock remaining in comic shop outlets for quite a while but, by the end of the week, barely any had ever shifted when I looked. So they weren't well stocked, ultimately, because they didn't sell. Now, the usual places I see, tend to stock three to five issues (which, again, don't always seem to move).
Like I said, it's a vicious circle, and part of breaking it must inevitably be alerting readers to its existence in the first place. Dandy Xtreme may have been relatively easy to find, but I still didn't see it all that much, and in any case it bore no resemblance to the new Dandy (and indeed, towards the end, was close to erasing the text "Dandy" from its masthead). As with all revamps, there were probably a number of people who decided to take the opportunity to stop reading at that point, or it may be that it was relying more heavily on the 'harassed parent with screaming kids snatching the nearest packet of toys with free comic attached just to shut them up' demographic than we thought.

But one thing which all the evidence does suggest, however, is that real-life children, when presented with a copy of the comic, love it. There is a similarly convincing quantity of anecdotal evidence to suggest that the Dandy Xtreme was seen, by its own target audience, to be inferior to the Beano, and that the current rash of newsagent-placating toys are mostly ignored. I have yet to hear of an actual child - not just a 50-year-old child who thinks it's still the 1970s - considering the quality of the strips inferior, the art substandard, or (curse them) the celebrities undesirable. If anybody is able to present one, I am sure their opinions would be most informative.

If there was a problem with the comic, we would have heard about it by now. Remember New Dennis? It wasn't just the adults whinging about the, erm, adulteration of their childhood hero, we were also made aware of several very vocal younger voices who thought the revamp amounted to making him a softy. One of the very few pieces of information I ever gleaned from the commenters after the Beano website's 2010 revamp was that illiterate, badly-spelt, monosyllabic fury at New Dennis was everywhere. It must surely have played a part in the changes made to the character in 2011.

The difference between that incident and the discontent voiced about the Dandy is very noticeable. The tabloid brigade is up in arms as ever, as are the bloggers with axes to grind, but the vital second component of the criticism is missing. I haven't heard from anyone within the Dandy's target audience accusing the likes of Jamie Smart or Andy Fanton of ruining their favourite comic. In fact, the reaction is exactly the opposite - both are among the most popular artists in the comic.

We've seen enough of genuine discontent among readers with the direction in which a comic has gone to know that the Dandy has not been the subject of it.

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Speaking as one who has walked there from Tottenham Court Road tube, I can assure you that it is not. Piccadilly Circus is slightly closer, but it's still a very bracing stroll from that. It's also nowhere near any bus stops, being in the middle of a maze of alleys and pedestrianised streets quite impenetrable to even the meanest of minibuses. You have to know it's there in order to find it, and I can personally attest, from my first two attempts, that even then it's not exactly a given.
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swirlythingy wrote: If the Dandy isn't sold under a sale-or-return policy (if not, that can't be helping its chances), now's the time to introduce one. When the returns come back, instead of pulping them or stashing them in some dusty warehouse somewhere, distribute them to schools everywhere. Charge nothing, and simply present it as a gesture of goodwill to the grateful teachers, and wait for the copies to filter down into the classrooms, and subsequently the pupils. The pupils, as we have already established, will love it, and soon they'll start wondering where they can get some brand-new issues of their own. This will still run up against the fairly impenetrable barrier of the Dandy not being available in half the towns in Britain, but the towns where kids can buy it will notice a sales increase.

Credit where credit's due, that's a very good idea Martin. :up:
swirlythingy wrote: The difference between that incident and the discontent voiced about the Dandy is very noticeable. The tabloid brigade is up in arms as ever, as are the bloggers with axes to grind, but the vital second component of the criticism is missing. I haven't heard from anyone within the Dandy's target audience accusing the likes of Jamie Smart or Andy Fanton of ruining their favourite comic. In fact, the reaction is exactly the opposite - both are among the most popular artists in the comic.
Again, good point.

Regarding visibility in shops, my personal feeling is that shelf positioning is a major problem for comics. As you said, orders have been cut back on The Dandy and it's not always easy to find outside of WH Smith. Therefore Smiths are important to its survival, but shelf positioning is inconsistent from branch to branch and it's not always positioned with The Beano. (My local Smiths puts The Dandy on the top shelf, whereas The Beano is eye level.)
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swirlythingy wrote:Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Dandy Xtreme was moulded to newsagents' expectations, and therefore was relatively easy to find. Now entire areas of the country are completely without a single issue of the Dandy, and have been for some time. They can't buy it if it's not there, can they?
They can place a regular order with their newsagent and never miss a copy. But, as mentioned, the newsagents would have stopped stocking it because the customers stopped buying it; I'm talking about the recently revamped Dandy which had a massive promotional push and was initially very well stocked indeed. Like I said, I usually still see it around on my travels, but it doesn't particularly seem to move a lot of copies. (Though I've seen little kids sat on supermarket floors reading it!)

swirlythingy wrote:But one thing which all the evidence does suggest, however, is that real-life children, when presented with a copy of the comic, love it.
But how extensive is your research and evidence there?

(Sadly, of course, a lot of kids don't seem to be into reading at all - books or comics -which is another, wider problem.)


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swirlythingy wrote: Speaking as one who has walked there from Tottenham Court Road tube, I can assure you that it is not. Piccadilly Circus is slightly closer, but it's still a very bracing stroll from that.

Hmm - maybe it's because I like bracing strolls and can walk pretty fast, but I usually nip there from Tottenham Court Road when I'm passing through, even if fairly pressed for time. I've always quite liked the location of that shop.
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Raven wrote: For example, if it's true that all kids do love The Dandy when they actually get to see it, why, then, did 50% of its existing, regular readers drop the comic over the last year?
Remember though the Dandy sells more a month than it did previously. It needs more research to be able to say who's buying it. Half the readership or the same readership but not every issue as they were used to a fortnightly?
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starscape wrote: Remember though the Dandy sells more a month than it did previously.
How are you working that out? Before the revamp, the fortnightly Dandy Xtreme was selling 18,938 (late 2009 figures) which averages at 41,032 a month, and presently The Dandy sells 7,489, which averages at 32,452 a month. That's 8,580 less a month.

Or am I figuring it out wrongly?
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I'm going by the 50% drop, i.e. from 15,012 (x2 = 30,024) in Jul-Dec 2010 to the current 7,489 (x4 = 29,956).

Unless I'm mistaken somehow.
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